By Antony Thomas
London, UK (CHAKRA) – Susceptible teenage girls who are forced to convert to Islam by Muslim men are being protected by police. The men with extreme Islamic views are being targeted by police says Met chief Sir Ian Blair. “Aggressive conversions” at university campuses are being discovered and police are looking into finding the groups of men responsible for beating up girls who are forced to drop their university courses.
The Hindu forum of Britain has claimed that Hindu and Sikh girls are the primary targets of these terrorizing men who lure girls and take them out on dates before revealing to them that they must convert. A conference was organized by the Hindu forum at which Sir Ian spoke of his concern.
“Neighbourhood officers work with university authorities in London and we would encourage anyone targeted in this way to seek help and support and where necessary use third party reporting facilities if they do not want to contact police directly,” said a Met police spokesman.
A member of the Hindu Forum of Britain, Ramesh Kallidai said that there have been many incidents of victimized girls being terrified because of being constantly phoned, threatened and their house doors are being knocked on.
According to victim testimonials and police reports, one girl was beaten up on the street while another was forced to quit university.
Mansoor says
this is obvious that this is not islamic way of doing it but unfortunately today Ignorant Muslims does such stupid things.but i wonder how such things can happened in UK.
David Catleugh says
This is disgraceful. These girls must be helped, even if it means some sort of police protection.
raj says
mansoor,
either you are ignorant or hypocryte. see below sites and find the real face of islam by yourself.
faithfreedomDOTorg
Mansoor says
Sir Raj,
The matter of the fact is that according to “Real Islamic Teachings” it is absolutely wrong to impose your faith on others forcefully. In Holy Quran Allah says [2:257] “There should be no compulsion in religion.”
And there are many other verses in the Holy Quran that clearly mentions that no one can force anyone to change his/her religion.
So according to Islamic teachings this is how it should be and I also know that so-called Muslims dont believe in that nor do they practice. and this is very unfortunate that Muslims of this age wrongly interpret Islam and its teachings. Teachings are pure and very peaceful but people abuses it. they uses it for their own hidden agendas but not for Islam.
and this is just one thing, there are many other teachings that they just uses it for their own purposes which are unislam. Jihad is one of the famous example. i’m not going to explain the whole concept of real Jihad right here, but you can read about it from this web site for explanation.(if you are open to know the real face of Islam)
http://www.alislam.org
These teachings of Islam are being explained by Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. and they are being persecuted just because they present real teachings of Islam through Holy Quran and practice of Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH), which obviously against what they practice.
And you got to admit this fact that if a group of people from certain religion starts abusing its teachings and does stuff which is against its real teachings of that religion, then no one should blame that religion or teachings but those people.
Now education is the only solution to this problem and Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are doing this job for past 100 Years. and they are facing persecution from Muslims in Muslim countries just because of this, but they are dedicated for this cause. and one day world would see the real teachings of Islam in practice. and then it would be evident that what Islam offered and when its practiced, it would be the most peaceful and beautiful religion.
aban says
There is something called collective responsibility of a community. Community elders and seniors should crack down on erring members.
Besides providing protection the police needs to take proactive action.
As for your take (Mansur) that Ahmediyas are facing persecution because of providing education, that is not wholly true. They are not considered as true followers of Islam and have been outlawed in Pakistan if I am not mistaken.
As for not forcing another to follow a religion, I am not sure. The Koran allows for a tax on all non Muslim subjects. Isn’t that economic coercion? Fortunately we don’t see that any longer.
Faisal Ahmed says
Mansoor, Ahmadiyya Islam is not real Islam. Our true prophet Mohammad (PBUH) warned us against false prophets. Ghulam first called himself an Imam, then Mehdi and then finally prophet. Come on. If he were the prophet then he would have told that to begin with.
Also, he received a very painful and horrible death. They found his head in toilet after he died. Why would Allah let his prophet suffer such a terrible and humiliating death? Please think.
Mansoor says
First of all this should be clear to everyone that whatever todays Muslims are doing (including Elders) this was the prophecy of the Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH) He said that the time would come when Leaders would be the worst creature on this earth.
Even in the Holy Quran Allah says about the Quran that: [25:31] And the Messenger will say, ‘O my Lord, my people indeed treated this Qur’an as a discarded thing.’ and this is exactly what Muslims of this age are doing.
Now question comes to mind how this would be fixed. According to Holy Quran and Hadith A Promised Messiah and Mehdi would have to come and fix todays Muslims conditions. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, India established Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in 1889 under the commandment of Allah. Then Allah Told him that he is the Promised Messiah and Mehdi. In the Book of Hadith Muslim, its clearly mentioned that He would be Nabi uAllah means Prophet. He said it four times and according to verse of 4:70 in Islam a Subordinate Prophet can come. This does not mean that he is a new prophet other then Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH) he would under the Holy Prophet of Islam(PBUH) without changing anything of Islam. Yes he would tell the real and true interpretation of Holy Quran and Hadith. He proved his claim with Many sings and prophecies.
Now this was also prophesied that his community would suffer and they’ll be treated as the Holy Prophet of Islam(PBUH) and his companions were treated. He said that my Nation would divide into 73 sects as Children of Israelite divided into 72. In my nation 72 sects would be hell bound but 73 sect would go to heaven. Those would be as Me and my companions.
Every sect claims themselves to be 73rd sect. but its only Ahmadiyya Muslim Community who are distinguished as 73rd Sect. i.e.
1. ONLY Ahmadies are declared Kafir (NON-Muslim) by rest of All 72 Sects. As in the beginning Muslims were given names by Non-Muslims. i.e. Sabies
2. ONLY Ahmadies have Khilafat System. A True leadership. Non other 72 Sects can say that they have Khalifa.
As Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH) was leader of Muslims after him khilafat system was establish.
3. ONLY Ahmadies are being persecuted by All 72 sects As in the beginning Muslims were persecuted by Arabs.
4. ONLY Ahmadies as a community are trying their best to spread the real Name of Islam. and our interpretation is being accepted by rest of the world. But this is not the case with rest of 72 Sects. If their interpretations get accepted only because they use Ahmadies Point of view. Example of Jihad.
The interpretation of jihad that was presented by Ahmdies are largely adopted by rest of the Muslim Nations after 9/11 incident but before they would oppose that very point of view.
Note: According to Hadith definition of a Muslim is that; one who believes in Allah and his Prophet(PBUH), who prays towards Kaba, who eats Zabiha (Slaughtered Animal) is Muslim.
According to this Ahmadies are Muslim. Now no one has right to say that we are not Muslim. It does not matter to us any ways as long as we are Muslim in the sight of Allah and Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH)
Mr. Faisal this is NOT true that he died in toilet. this is just a lie nothing more than that.
Mr. Aban asking for Tax has nothing to do with forceful conversion.
Islam does not just address an individual but to the society, nation or even country.
Islam gives a complete system to run a country. In that there is tax system. Now every country has a tax system. is there any thing wrong with that. I dont think so.
This is the problem people would believe whatever they are told. They dont do research.
I would encourage everyone to go to the website ( http://www.alislam.org ) and read more about Islam or Ahmadiyya before blindly believe in whatever they are told.
Thanks
Fred says
Immediately following is the famous statement that “there is no compulsion in religion” (v. 256). Islamic spokesmen in the West frequently quote it to disprove the contention that Islam spread by the sword, or even to claim that Islam is a religion of peace. According to an early Muslim, Mujahid ibn Jabr, this verse was abrogated by Qur’an 9:29, in which the Muslims are commanded to fight against the People of the Book. Others, however, according to the Islamic historian Tabari, say that 2:256 was never abrogated, but was revealed precisely in reference to the People of the Book. They are not to be forced to accept Islam, but may practice their religions as long as they pay the jizya (poll-tax) and “feel themselves subdued” (9:29).
Many see v. 256 as contradicting the Islamic imperative to wage jihad against unbelievers, but actually there is no contradiction because the aim of jihad is not the forced conversion of non-Muslims, but their subjugation within the Islamic social order. Says Asad: “All Islamic jurists (fuqahd’), without any exception, hold that forcible conversion is under all circumstances null and void, and that any attempt at coercing a non-believer to accept the faith of Islam is a grievous sin: a verdict which disposes of the widespread fallacy that Islam places before the unbelievers the alternative of ‘conversion or the sword.’” Quite so: the choice, as laid out by Muhammad himself, is conversion, subjugation as dhimmis, or the sword. Qutb accordingly denies that v. 256 contradicts the imperative to fight until “religion is for Allah” (v. 193), saying that “Islam has not used force to impose its beliefs.” Rather, jihad’s “main objective has been the establishment of a stable society in which all citizens, including followers of other religious creeds, may live in peace and security” – although not with equality of rights before the law, as 9:29 emphasizes. For Qutb, that “stable society” is the “Islamic social order,” the establishment of which is a chief objective of jihad.
In this light verses 256 and 193 go together without any trouble. Muslims must fight until “religion is for Allah,” but they don’t force anyone to accept Allah’s religion. They enforce subservience upon those who refuse to convert, such that many of them subsequently convert to Islam so as to escape the humiliating and discriminatory regulations of dhimmitude — but when they convert, they do so freely. Only at the end of the world will Jesus, the Prophet of Islam, return and Islamize the world, abolishing Christianity and thus the need for the jizya that is paid by the dhimmis. Then religion will be “for Allah,” and there will be no further need for jihad.
Hasan says
@Faisal Ahmed:
“April 2, 2010 at 3:27 pmMansoor, Ahmadiyya Islam is not real Islam. Our true prophet Mohammad (PBUH) warned us against false prophets.”
Holy Poephet (saw) also told of the coming Messiah & Mehdi.
“Ghulam first called himself an Imam, then Mehdi and then finally prophet. Come on. If he were the prophet then he would have told that to begin with. ”
According to Quran, Hazrat Ibrahim bowed to star, then moon then sun; that is he committed idolatry the worst of sins still you consider him prophet. If he was prophet why did he not say it on the first day instead of being an idolater?
According to Quran, Hazrat Ibrahim bowed to star, then moon then sun, that is he committed idolatry the worst of sins still you consider him prophet. If he was prophet why did he not say it on the first day instead of being an idolater?
Compared to this Promised Messiah differed only on an academic matter.
“Also, he received a very painful and horrible death. They found his head in toilet after he died.”
This is a complete lie and the reason you have to resort to lying shows the weakness of your side of arguments.
Mohammed says
Ahmadiyaas are a joke, just like hindus and sikhs. They are kafirs plain and simple. This is why many respected Islamic scholars laugh at them
here is a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qayWMkn1B-4
Hasan says
“This is why many respected Islamic scholars laugh at them”
@Mohammed:
What respected Islamic scholars? Are kidding? Everyone in the world laughs at these backward Mullahs and their idiotic followers.
Hasan says
“many respected Islamic scholars”
@Mohammed:
This “respected Islamic scholar” is calling for killing of anyone who chooses to exercise freedom of religion. This is terrorism, plain and simple.
Death Penalty for Apostates! (Dr. Zakir Naik)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMAZR8YIhxI
Mohammed says
@Hasan, over 1 billion muslims will agree with me about Ahmadiyaas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4RBJWdxn9U
Mansoor says
Mr. Mohammed,
it does not matter how many so-called Muslims agree with you about Ahmadies. As long as Ahmadies are Muslims under the deffinition of a Muslim given by Holy Prophet of Islam. (PBUH).
His definition of a Muslim is that; one who believes in Allah and his Prophet(PBUH), who prays towards Kaba, who eats Zabiha (Slaughtered Animal) is Muslim.
And we do not even care about Muslims Leader and their Certificate of Muslim, rather we are happy about it. why? because according to Saying of Prophet they are the Worst people under the canopy.
By the way most of them call each other kafir any ways. so who are you gonna believe in?
Only Quran and Hadith Matters none others.
Mansoor says
Mr. Mohammed,
it does not matter how many so-called Muslims agree with you about Ahmadies or not. As long as Ahmadies are Muslims under the definition, given by Holy Prophet of Islam. (PBUH).
His definition of a Muslim is that; one who believes in Allah and his Prophet(PBUH), who prays towards Kaba, who eats Zabiha (Slaughtered Animal) is Muslim.
And we do not even care about Muslims Leader and their Certificate of Islam, rather we are happy about it. why? because according to Saying of Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH) they are the Worst people under the canopy.
By the way most of them call each other kafir any ways. so who are you gonna believe in?
Only Quran and Hadith Matters none others.
Mansoor says
Mr. Fred
In the beginning Muslims had to see persecution for 13 years in Mecca due to their religious believe. None was forced to convert. Muslims had to migrate twice because of persecution. What sowered forced them to face all that persecution.
Then Holy Prophet of Islam Migrated to Madina along with his companions. He became leader of Madina. There were Non-Muslims, but they never forced to convert either.
When Meccans waged war against Muslims then Muslim were granted permission by God to defend themselves and for Freedom of Religion. As it is mentioned in following verses;
[22:40] Permission to fight is given to those against whom war is made, because they have been wronged — and Allah indeed has power to help them —
[22:41] Those who have been driven out from their homes unjustly only because they said, ‘Our Lord is Allah’ — And if Allah did not repel some men by means of others, there would surely have been pulled down cloisters and churches and synagogues and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft commemorated. And Allah will surely help one who helps Him. Allah is indeed Powerful, Mighty —
This was the very First commandment regarding Jihad. It is explicitly mentioned in those verses that this is for defense and Freedom of Religion.
When the Peace treaty of Hadibia Happend between Meccans and Muslims. And Allah called this a Clear Victory.
[48:2] Verily, We have granted thee a clear victory
Why this Peace of Treaty was victory. Because then lost of People accepted Islam. Within two years Muslims became Ten Thousands.(at the time of Victory of Mecca) No war happened within those years, it was only preaching that converted so many people.
Then at the time of Victory of Mecca bitter enemies were forgiven, Most of the Meccans were forgiven except of Few, and they were the people who did great Mischief against Muslims. Even some of those were forgiven when they asked for forgiveness.
ie Ikrama son of Abu Jehal ran away. Because he was a bitter enemy of Muslims, and he did great Mischefs against Muslims. He thought that he would be never forgiven because of his evil actions against Muslims. But his wife came to Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH) and asked for forgiveness for him, and he said okay i forgive him. She ran to him and told him that not only you are forgiven but also you dont have to convert to Islam. He was very much astonished he didnt really believe her. So he came to Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH) and asked him is it true that you forgave him. He said yes. Then he asked, despite the fact that I WONT CHANGE MY RELIGION you still forgive me. He said yes. At that point he became so impressed by him that he himself accepted Islam. He said that only a True Prophet of Allah can show such kind of forgiveness.
So it was beautiful moral of Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH) and beautiful teachings of Islam that won and conquered people`s heart not sword.
After conquering Mecca the war of Hunain happened, in that war 80 Non-Muslims joined the army voluntarily. How come those people were never forced to join Islam. So Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH) never ever forced anyone to convert to Islam. So who the hell are these Mullahs who say that they should convert them forcefully. These Mullahs are not following the foot step of Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH) they have nothing to do with Islam.
Indonesia has the most Muslim people living in. Who conquered them. None except Islamic teachings.
This is common sense that sword can never change hearts its only the ideas or teachings changes heart.
Asking taxes from Non-Muslims is another prove that Islam does not allow anyone to convert to Islam forcefully. Otherwise there wouldn’t be any Non-Muslim nor their Taxes in Islamic state.
About abrogation: not a single letter of Holy Quran is Abrogated. I know that there are many Muslim leaders in History who use to believe that some verses were abrogated. and anyone who could not understand the verses he would say that these verses are abrogated. But When the Promised Messiah and Mehdi came he announced that not a single letter of the Holy Quran is abrogated. From first letter till last everything is applicable, and none is abrogated. So Ahmadies do not believe in this things. Even Holy Quran claims that
4:83.Will they not, then, meditate upon the Qur’an? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much disagreement.
So the verse ([2:257] There should be no compulsion in religion. Surely, right has become distinct from wrong.) is absolutely not abrogated.
Azrael Razakel says
Very soon, there will be a World War III if Americans don’t mind their business. Just let us massacre mohammadens in peace. I have drawn up plans to subsequently exterminate 600,000,000 mohammadens in South Asia. I have estimated that if we can kill 10,000,000 mohammadens every month, then we can meet our target of 600,000,000 in less than 6yrs. See its not that difficult. We will be using mass burials, gas chambers, guillotines, poisioning on mohammadens. I have even a integrated method of killing and disposing off the bodies easily – See gather around 1,000,000 mohammadens in a very very very very big piece of land and then drop a Nuclear Bomb on them. In less than 10secs their bodies will be evaporated due to the temperature rising to a million degrees.
Come on ppl, listen to me. Its now or never. We have to destroy islam, mohammadens. WE HAVE TO SPILL THEIR BLOOD ON THE STREETS. We have to kill their fathers, husbands, sons infront of their ugly women.
I can’t understand how can u mohammadens worship some imaginary bastard called allah, huh????? Pimp mohammad pigfucker pbuh was a pedophile. There are millions of mohammadens leaving pislam every year.
raj says
Mohammed you pick on hindu and sikh. Perfect example a muslim beeing ignorant. Keep it up!!
All reglion and politics is a joke, just like all of you. It is also the same thing. Corrupt! Look at how much hate this world has because of relgion and politics. Belive in God, Thats all!!
ismail says
girl
Dr. O. P. Sudrania says
“Ignorance is bliss”, will be my religion fom now on. God bless
Dr. O. P. Sudrania