By Sameer Thakkar (Guest Contributor)
(Click here to read Part 1)
Max Muller, one of the earliest Indologists, had happily concurred in a letter to his wife: “It (The Rigveda) is the root of their religion and to show them what the root is, I feel sure, is the only way of uprooting all that has sprung from it during the last three thousand years.” Later he also wrote to the Duke of Argyle, the then acting Secretary of State for India: “The ancient religion of India is doomed. And if Christianity does not take its place, whose fault will it be?”
The Biblical Creation Theory states that the world was created with all its life forms at 9.00 AM, October 23, 4004 BC. These Abrahamic templates, beliefs and worldviews form the basis of all the Christian missionaries who pursue their agendas and malign the scriptures of other religions, especially when it does not fit into their limited constructs. Max Muller it is said was an agent of the British colonial rulers who was funded by them to write, rewrite and distort the history of Asia so as to establish Christian history as superior to that of the Asians and create an inferiority complex among the Indians by proving to them that their history, traditions, culture, philosophy, religion etc. had no value before the history and culture of Europe.
He originally estimated that the Rig Veda was written around 1200 B.C as a later date could have been in conflict with the Christian beliefs. He also formulated the Aryan Invasion Theory to show that the Vedas and the superior Aryan race came to India from Europe. Max Muller and other missionaries like Ralph T.H. Griffith, Maurice Bloomsfield, Wilson etc. also tried to learn sanskrit to comprehend the primary Hindu scriptures but landed up distorting them by the application of the Abrahamic template on the Hindu worldview. Moreover due to this distortion and mistranslation of Vedic scriptures rendered by many indologists in the past, many people including the Hindus today assume that Hinduism consists of blind superstitions, beef eating, horse killing, animal sacrifice, caste system, etc.
Their distortions today are used by all the anti-hindus who do not even possess basic knowledge of sanskrit. Moreover “religion” is a term that in fact originated in the west and was used by the Abrahamic sects to expound their dogmatic worldviews and earn adherents and unquestionable loyalty to their leaders. Those who questioned the Abrahamic religion were therefore often threatened, oppressed and even physically harmed. Hinduism on the other hand has always been, not a religion, but a ‘Dharma-culture’ and Dharma in the Hindu lexicon has been defined as that which ‘sustains’ and ‘upholds’ implying that which ‘maintains the stability and harmony of the universe’. However, with the coming of Christian missionaries to India, the term Dharma was also distorted and reduced to “religion”. One may ask- can science, spirituality, mathematics, medicinal system of knowledge, dharma which is also defined as righteousness, duty and ethics and based on the art of detachment as contained in Vedas and Upanishads, a source of motivation and interest for many modern scientists like Nicholas Tesla, Schroedinger, Einstein etc. be categorized as a religion?
Mr.Boulanger, the editor of Russian edition of The Sacred Books of the East Series, in the context of the commentary/translation of the Vedas by Max Muller, stated:
“What struck me in Max Muller’s translation was a lot of absurdities, obscene passages and a lot of what is not lucid…. As far as I can grab the teaching of the Vedas, it is so sublime that I would look upon it as a crime on my part, if the Russian public becomes acquainted with it through the medium of a confused and distorted translation, thus not deriving for its soul that benefit which this teaching should give to the people”.
The ancient Hindu scriptures- Vedas, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, etc. have been preserved in the language of ‘sanskrit’ which today is recognized as the most advanced and scientific language so much so that even scientists are trying to incorporate it into computers to increase the scope of artificial intelligence and give a boost to the field of robotics. Sanskrit is indeed a highly modular language where words change when they are combined. Importance is hence given to the way the words are pronounced and the way in which it is written. Any little mistake in the ‘halant or visarga’ alone can change the meaning of the sentence. The teachings of the Vedas, Upanishads and Gita has thus been preserved and considered universally applicable because of the scientific integrity and consistency of the sanskrit language. Unlike other literature or the abrahamic religious texts which are updated as the seasons change, the primary Hindu scriptures remain intact delivering the same eternal knowledge which is always nourishing to a scientific and a philosophical mind.
Max Muller however was not able to rise to the objective standards of the Sanskrit language. In his book ‘Vedic Hymns’, he himself declared that “My translation of the Vedas is conjectural”. Mr. B.D Ukhul in his article, “The Clouds Over understsanding of the Vedas” exposes the mistranslations in detail where the Vedic science was reduced to some absurd story and words taken out of context and completely distorted in its meaning. (Article in References)
It is well known that the Vedic language consists of cryptic riddles with metaphorical personifications to present science, spirituality, philosophies etc. But the missionaries and pseudo intellectuals rendered them spirituality-less and unscientific, further instilling elements of “meat eating, animal sacrifice, caste system, regressive beliefs, etc”.
Today, the education system in India instead of rejecting these old Abrahamic, missionary and colonial templates and instead of reviving India’s rich and ancient scientific and spiritual heritage, has on the contrary been manipulated by the Marxist professors and secular theorists (the successors to the colonial and missionary scholars) who under the guise of being sophisticated and elite scholars denigrate the Hindu culture and propagate the theories of Max Muller and other missionaries, even reinforcing the caste divisions and the already refuted Aryan invasion theory.
Effects of Missionary activities :
1 ) Slow death of local languages and ancient languages like Sanskrit.
2 ) Children and teenagers assume that those who cannot speak in English are inferior to those who can.
3 ) English speaking people are even perceived to be intellectually as well as morally better or superior.
4 ) The debunked Aryan Invasion Theory and Dravidian Theory are still being preached and have caused immense divide in the Indian subcontinent.
5 ) Hinduism has been disconnected from the Vedas and self-opinionated people assume it to be a collection of absurd mantras, stories, superstitions and ‘religious’ dogmas.
6 ) Vote Bank politics which divides the country further.
7 ) Divide and Rule: Converted Hindus start hating and abusing Hindus.
8 ) Inferiority complexes instilled and psychological slavery to foreign ideals
9 ) Setting western concepts as the ‘benchmark’ and ignoring the Indian concepts.
In conjunction there seems to be another group of assailants and offenders now who are more well-disguised and in fact have infiltrated the Hindu society as supporters and promoters of Hinduism. They are the ‘Trojan Horse’, the pretentious new-age cults and individuals who parade the intellectual arena as accomplished Vedic scholars, yoga experts, ‘light-workers’, healers, etc. Although there are many authentic new-age scholars, teachers and healers that propound Hinduism and do substantial work, there are also many con-artists and fraudsters that have pervaded the spiritual-business industry only for selfish gain and to promote themselves and their groups and it is often difficult for the unassuming Hindus to differentiate and separate the authentic and sincere teachers from the charlatans.
The Pathological Symptoms of the ‘Max-Muller Syndrome’:
Using their limited knowledge of Vedic scriptures to appoint themselves as experts on Indian philosophy and Hinduism only to make money, gain name and fame.
Pretending to be secular, believing in the ‘equality of all religions’ and preaching “oneness” while belittling Hinduism as a regressive religion and Hindus as fanatics.
Preferring to use the word Vedic or Sanatan Dharma instead of ‘Hindu’ and then going out of their way to divorce and disconnect Vedic literature, yoga, etc. as well as the terms ‘Vedic’ and ‘Sanatan Dharma’ from Hinduism.
These groups/individuals base their theories on Hindu/Vedic literature and concepts, mix it with other templates (sometimes Abrahamic or Eurocentric) and preach a new-world order that is to emerge. They place themselves on a heightened pedestal as special leaders who are on a special mission to help humanity.
Hijacking Hindu literature, creating their own theories and then aggressively promoting themselves while demeaning Hindu gurus, Indic sources of knowledge and disrespecting the Hindu society at large.
Verbal/physical/intellectual dominance over others resulting in either overt or covert fascism
Abuse/Slander/Disrespect of other sects, religions, cultures, gurus etc. who do not believe in their theories or oppose their cult.
Mental manipulation of others, threats or fear induction, to promote their agenda
Mental instability of members of the cult expressed through hyper-egomania, delusions of grandiosity, narcissism and attention-seeking.
Insistence that the cult and their theories/solutions is the “ONLY WAY”
Group-think, suppression of dissent and enforced conformity in thinking.
Feelings of being ‘more special’ and ‘aware’ than people outside the group and feelings of being chosen to fulfill a special, world-altering mission.
The tyrannical belief that their leader is always right (is extra-special), that they know better than others and that all others are always wrong.
The presentation of their worldview as a ‘sacred science’ with unquestionable dogma and infallible ideology.
Inability to tolerate criticism and personal and aggressive attacks on all their critics.
Irrational cloning- you become a clone of the cult leader or other cult members and imitate/parrot all their views.
The presentation of their ideology over experience, observation and logic.
Mystical manipulation or use of exotic words, ideas and views to mislead.
Cult leader is never held accountable for his/her actions.
False promises of greater powers or greater knowledge.
Today, this disease has induced extreme characteristics where one may find people unable to tolerate criticism and personal and aggressive attacks on all their critics. Missionaries can be openly found manipulating children and abusing the Hindu Gods and the Hindus whereas the new-age cults and preachers on the other hand are found speaking highly and intellectually about Hindu wisdom but undercover their only aim is to further themselves and their agendas while eventually denigrating and intellectually destroying Hinduism. They have subtly permeated the Hindu society like a virus and it is often difficult to recognize the malicious brainwashing they perpetuate on others. It is important for the Hindu society as well as others who have been targeted by such groups and individuals to develop more awareness on such cults, pseudo scholars and individuals as it will help in the differentiation between authentic groups and scholars and the frauds and charlatans who only seek self-promotion at the expense of harming the Hindu society and its heritage.
In the past, the educationist named Lord Macaulay wanted to do away with the spiritual heritage of India. He stated, “We must at present do our best to form a class who may be interpreters between us and the millions whom we govern; a class of persons, Indian in blood and colour, but English in taste, in opinions, in morals, and in intellect.”
“I have no knowledge of either Sanskrit or Arabic. But I have done what I could to form a
correct estimate of their value…. I have never found one among them (Sanskrit or arabic scholars) who could deny that a single shelf of a good European library was worth the whole native literature of India and Arabia.”
Lord Macaulay wanted Christianity to replace Hinduism. In a letter to his father, a Protestant minister, Macaulay declared: “Our English schools are flourishing wonderfully. The effect of this education on the Hindus is prodigious. …It is my belief that if our plans of education are followed up, there will not be a single idolator among the respectable classes in Bengal thirty years hence”.
Macaulay’s children and Max Muller’s successors now seem to be carrying forward this cancerous legacy with phenomenal zeal.
References :
Müller, Georgina, The Life and Letters of Right Honorable Friedrich Max Müller, 2 vols. London: Longman, 1902.
“The couds over Understanding of the Vedas” by B.D.Ukhul
Kaka says
We, the serious students of Indology” have already discarded Max Muller being a useless reference for future studies in Indology. (Same will be true in case of (so called Prof.) M. Witzel and Steve Farmer, but it needs some more time.
So G-Men let us not waste further more time om Max muller here afterwards
Kaka
Syed Rizwan Hamdan says
An appreciable effort by the authors of this article to bring the truth about the Vedas to its readers. The Vedas probably represent the first text that constitutes man’s eternal quest to understand the metaphysical. It is this quest that translated into the mantras of the Vedas which were expressed by the seers of yore.
It is amazing how this valuable piece of philosophy was disowned as junk by the Western Missionaries posing as intellectuals. The only way man can rid himself of them chains that have enshrouded him since the last 2000 years is by leaving behind those ideologies which teach us nothing but hatred and give us a narrow vision of life.
While these “religions” are good to govern men and keep them enslaved after showing them a rosy picture of the life yet to come, they do nothing to raise the intellectual status of man. It is high time that we leave these hateful ideologies behind and truly embrace a vision that brings in peace and prosperity for all of mankind and thus making him Übermensch, that Nietzsche had envisioned.
hinduawaken says
informative material
Gia says
Kaka,
The focus of the article is not Max Muller but the Max Muller “Syndrome” and disease of deceiving hindus and slowly and skillfully harming their culture, that is still being displayed today by many individuals and groups and pseudo scholars.
Jason Kay says
Kaka, There’s many Max Muller clones around in india and outside india still distorting hindu beliefs which this excellent article is referring to.Its that type of manipulative mentality which is the Max Muller Syndrome..
Barbara says
Well and good. Let’s have some definitive examples, facts and sources of these ‘clones’, Barbara
Jason Kay says
Barbara, Read part one of this article and then you will find your definitive examples
Barbara says
Of course I have read Part I, but I while I see some names thrown out, and some quotes from preding books and articles, I don’t see any refutation made on a sound basis of understanding those quotes. They seem a very long way, to me, from any kind of undermining of Hindu society or sanatan dharma. Sooo, I ask again for concrete refutation. Barbara
Jason Kay says
Barbara, Do you want the article to be a thousand articles long ? The people mentioned in the article have already be refuted.You cant keep on asking for proof again and again just because you dont want to accept what is the truth especially about your cult leader Norelli
Girdhar says
Haha, “concrete refutations”. Thats only someone of a christian origin can say or someone who is close to the uneducated and schizophrenic Norelli who doesn’t understand any Indian History. IMO, part 1 is more than enough let alone part 2 of this article. Your comprehension seems to be as poor as that of Robert Wilkinson who keeps on running here and there to earn his daily bread by sycophancing with Norelly and distort Hinduism. Thats the fate of all christian missionaries. They ruin their own life and die without even inflicting any major damage to the core of Hinduism. Its the spirit of the Vedas and Upanishads that has prevailed with time. All the major civilizations were lost and so many attacked India. But still sanskrit is known and still we have the Vedas and the Upanishads.
Jason Kay says
Barbara, Maybe you need to provide us with concrete evidence that Robert Wilkinson is not a fool, a liar manipulator and a clown which i know will be impossible to do but you can give it try…
HDH says
There is a constant need to defend the Vedic culture with the force of arms. Not only mental action can produce effective results, but the physical action is the primary because we exist in physical reality.
Sameer says
Bhagavad Gita NOT Monopoly of “hindus”; Cf: Henri Le Saux::‘Christian Advaitic Experience’; Rev. Anthony de Mello: “Sadhana: A Way to God”.
Now Christians trying to hack our Holy Books also. What can be expected from faiths which are a hollow from inside …
Satish Sharma says
I grow weary of Indians beating the drum of how Muller did such harm… Please don’t just regurgitate the same old “bad man muller and thats why we Indians are weak and suffering” drivel under the guise of Journalism…
If a bit of quality research were to be done, there is an even more powerful message about Muller which needs to be told, the effect of Sanatan Dharma on even such an avowed anti-Hindu Christian Imperialist…the message that even one such as he, when immersed in the Ganga of the Vedas, could not help but become cleansed of his mental pollution. Surely this is a message worth sharing? Valmikiji became transformed from Ratnagar to Valmiki, if there is truth in the Dharma of our ancestors, surely Muller couldnt possibly have been immune? So I present evidence that in his later years Muller too became a Hindu in spirit (where it really matters) if not in outward semblance, where his voice was drowned out by those who deemed him a betrayer, the same ones who were our enemies too.
At the twilight of his life he began to accept the beauty of the Vedas and regretted his earlier actions, and as a result of his work no matter how initially misguided, many westerners have been introduced to the Vedas and have been blessed to discover much that is enlightening. my question is this – who does the greater dis service, a Max Muller who ultimately realised the essence of the Vedas, or the millions of hindus who bleat on about the greatness of the Vedas but do not do the sadhana of their study? if you doubt his conversion …..
“If I were asked under what sky the human mind has most fully developed some of its choicest gifts, has most deeply pondered over the greatest problems of life, and has found solutions of some of them which well deserve the attention even of those who have studied Plato and Kant, I should point to India.” And if I were to ask myself from what literature we who have been nurtured almost exclusively on the thoughts of Greeks and Romans, and of the Semitic race, the Jewish, may draw the corrective which is most wanted in order to make our inner life more perfect, more comprehensive, more universal, in fact more truly human a life…again I should point to India.” Max Muller
(source: The World’s Religions – By Huston Smith. Harper San Francisco. 1991 p 12).
“I maintain that for everybody who cares for himself, for his ancestors, for his history, for his intellectual development, a study of Vedic literature is indispensable “.
“The Upanishads are the…..sources of …..the Vedanta philosophy, a system in which human speculation seems to me to have reached its very acme.” “I spend my happiest hours in reading Vedantic books. They are to me like the light of the morning, like the pure air of the mountains – so simple, so true, if once understood.”
(source: Philosophy of Hinduism – An Introduction – By T. C. Galav Universal Science-Religion. p 19).
Muller said of Schopenhauer’s well known saying – “in the whole world there is no study so beneficial and so elevating as the Upanishad. It has been the solace of my death” “If these words of Schopenhauer required any endorsement I should willingly give it as the result of my own experience during a long life devoted to the study of many philosophies and many religions.”
(source: Is India Civilized? – Essays on Indian Culture – By Sir John Woodroffe Ganesh & Co. Publishers 1922. p. 133 – 134).
“The conception of the world as deduced from the Veda, and chiefly from the Upanishads, is indeed astounding.”
(source: The Six Systems of Indian Philosophy – By Max Muller (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1916 p. xiv).
Our most revered Swami Vivekananda visited Max Mueller in Oxford, in person, and there are many legitimate records of his visit including on the Ramakrishna Mission website itself…. for ease of research I am pleased to submit a link http://www.ramakrishnavive?kananda.info/vivekananda/v?olume_4/writings_prose/on_?professor_max_muller.htm An enemy who becomes a friend is a great person indeed because he has learnt to challenge his own beliefs and prejudices,an example worth following dont you think?
Are those of us who hate Muller, able to abandon a prejudice, ie a judgement arrived at prior to or without knowledge of complete facts, regarding popular opinion’s unquestioned acceptance of Muller’s contempt for the Vedas? If not he was a truer Hindu then perhaps we are? It is a common teaching in Jnana yoga, from I believe the Yoga Vasishta in SvaDhyaya, self study “The first rule of work must be readiness to examine your positions and to modify or abandon them without delay or embarrassment as soon as you know they are inadequate.”
Spread the word of Mullers Conversion to Sanatan Dharma and yes a change for the better will happen, instead of just stirring up the cesspool of his earlier ignorance, which will only fill our nostrils with an old stench. Many of us made silly utterings in our untutored arrogance, if having done so Muller then moved to deeper understandings, he received the Vardaan of Mata Saraswati and his Jeevan was succesful, we could learn from his example ….
The story of the Pandit and the Courtesan is commonly told, where the Courtesan attained Mohksha by her heartfelt, committed unceasing desire to know the Paramatman who was the supposedly the focus of the Pandit’s life, whereas her Pandit neighbours mind was filled with the Courtesan’s unclean activities…..Perhaps we too could do with looking into our depths – are we taking the role of the Courtesan or the Pandit when we devote so much time and thinking to his failings, whilst he spent so much time interrogating the Vedas… All in my humble opinion of course
Sameer Thakkar says
@Satish Sharma :
Those are some interesting points you raised. But you seemed to have not fully grasped the purpose of this article. This article is not to create a hate wave for Max muller. It is true that later he also glorified the Vedas and the Upanishads and also said ” “Whether the Vedic hymns were composed in 1000 or 1500 or 2000 or 3000 BC, no power on earth will ever determine”.
But the purpose of this article is to expose the history, the agenda with which they worked, the distortions they created and how many of missionaries and pseudo-intellectuals still continue to do so. The damages that Max muller did along with Wilson, Griffith, Bloomsfield and Macaulay are irrepairable and as you may realize, North and South of India are still divided by the Aryan and Dravidian Theories. Please try to ponder on the impact and how these two theories alone have divided India and as to what extent. They are also preached by our beloved NCERT. If you had further read B.D Ukhul’s exposition of Max Muller’s miscomprehension of the Vedas, you would have understood how they source many of the myths and superstitions pervading in India in the name of Hinduism.
The knowledge of the Vedas and Upanishads is indeed embedded in the hearts of the humans. Its only the play of consciousness and when it rises, the dharma itself manifests into their hearts and the truth of Vedas and Upanishads itself comes naturally.
It is also true that the true aspects of Hinduism are not practised by many Hindus themselves. They are rather surrounded by superstitions and myths like cast system, dowry, flat earth etc. But this article is not about what “distortions Hindus practice” today but prominently about what “distortions took place” and by whome and continue to take place by the missionaries, pseudo-intellectuals etc regarding Hinduism. And, many myths and superstitions that hindus practice today is a direct outcome of the distortions done by the missionaries and the pseudo intellectuals.
In my humble opinion, history should never be forgotten as if forgotten it repeats itself. And hence beating of the “drums of the harm done by Max Muller” indeed needs to be done. What you are saying is to forget the history and what many Indians need is the exposition of the history. No offence, but it is the same mindset that many self-certified secular Indians have that when anything anti-Hindu is stated, they can hear it and tolerate it. But if anything regarding exposition of the past or historical is stated regarding abrahamic accounts they want to “forget it”. If anything regarding Islam is stated like goat killing which is a fact, then would rather ignore it.
Isn’t it a fact that British and Mughals invaded India? Can that be ignored? Why don’t you go to the NCERT hedquarters and tell them to “stop beating the drums of British and Mughal invasions”? You may research a little and find yourself as to how many temples were destroyed, women raped, millions killed by these abrahamic invasions. Thus when speaking of the Indian history, naturally the exposition of the accounts of abrahamic atrocities shall be done as well. And it is this stage, the exposition, that people with the same “self-certified secular” mindset call it communal thinking of it as some “agena” to belittle the minorities.
Are we belittling the minorities or are we insulting the deaths of millions, rapes of thousands of women and destruction of thousands of temples? You cannot change the Indian history or ignore it under the name of “secularism”. You cannot ignore the goat killing and abuse secularism and animal rights in the name of “minority appeasement”.
You can come to the Hindu community and tell the Hindus to ignore the truth. Can you go to the muslims community and tell them to stop killing the goats and cows? Can you tell them about the Mughal history? Exposition of the truth, in my humble opinion, is much much better than hiding the truth or being a coward to not be able to expose it.
Yes Max muller did some good too, but it is the distortions done by him and by the likes of him which are still used today by many historians, indologists etc assuming vedas to be 1200 BC old let alone the other distortions which are still marked as “facts” by many.
Gia says
Satish Sharma,
Max Muller did a lot of good no doubt.. and so did Macaulay.. thanks to him we have a lot of educated english-speaking indians. But I dont think this article is about that. Neither is it a character assassination of Muller. It is a hard and honest look at some of the large scale consequences that took place after his distortions. And that’s why the article is titled ‘Max Muller SYNDROME’ and not just ‘Max Muller’. Because I suppose as Sameer Thakkar just pointed out, it focusses on the current day legacy carried forward by psuedo scholars like “Wendy Doniger” and other secular theorists who do the same, who distort hindu wisdom and history to further their devious agendas. Max Muller is dead. But is legacy of distortion is still alive and still leaving behind a trail of destruction. This is what the article addresses. I agree with Sammer, it cannot be ignored. It is very important. Because it is nothing less than a crime that is being still perpetuated by misleading Indians and Hindus, making them mistrust their own heritage and creating a divide between many who still believe in the Aryan invasion theory. So creating awareness and alerting people on the current-day max-muller clones is imperative.
Jason Kay says
Satish , Hitler loved dogs and was mainly vegetarian most of time but I dont see PETA ignoring the damage he done and using him as a poster boy.. So Max Muller may have at the end of his life loved the Vedas but his legacy of distorting the Vedas has continued with many more max muller clones taking birth even in Indian bodies
Satish Sharma says
Dear friends Sameer, Gia, Jason and Tinaji,
Firstly I am deeply moved by the passion with which you have replied to my post and I thank you for it. I feel blessed by your communication and hope we can continue in a spirit of affection, as articulated so beautifully in the Sahana Vavatu mantra.
The subject of the tragedies which have been inflicted upon India over the years, ranging from the atrocities perpetrated by the medieval Arab invaders, the naming of a whole mountain range after the massacre of Hindus (the Hindu Kush – the only global memorial to massacre), followed swiftly by the holocaust inflicted on Hindus by the Europeans, led by the British and the Portugese……. this litany of evil atrocities can’t help but bring forth a flood of tears, a flood of pain which would never abate, even if one were to try and wash it away with a lifetime of tears.
I have been asked to speak in the House of Lords on a number of occasions and each time I step into those stone walls I hear the echoes of the voice of failed bureaucrat Macaulay delivering his famous Minute and planning the devastation of the peoples of India, I hear the Christian Bishops planning the rape and mutilation of the African continent and the desecration of the African cultures echoing around me, I hear the voices of the East India Companies’ officers counting their annual indigo profits of two million pounds sterling at the expense of 20 million plus Hindu lives…… and each time I struggle to find the strength to stand. Whenever I leave the House it is with a desperate and deep need of personal purification. As I write this note those tears again begin to burn my eyes so I too know whereof I speak.
I have visited Oxford which produced the wave of Christian clerics who fuelled and fanned the fires of religious superciliousness and bigotry sending wave after wave of psychotic religious fanatic to quench their avidya and hatred in the blood of Hindu’s; the Oxford where Muller spent his last years and where my son studies at present.
Not for a moment do I condone the actions of Macaulay, but I understand them. Not for a moment do I dispute that Muller’s earlier work corroded the pristine metal of the spiritual Indian psyche like the most potent acid and nor do I dispute that this acid is still being poured by the spiritually immature Donigers and Thapurs but I do recognise that they like Muller are a product of place and time and karmas. When later in life Muller chose to challenge, in the Hriday of his own being his own upbringing, his own cultural education and social and religious conditioning, he became a truly courageous man and one who experienced the transformation of Avidya which only Vidya can dispel. My example of Rishi Valmikiji is most pertinent. As I am sure you know but others may not, he was an avowed dacoit and murderer, but we do not immerse ourselves in the details of his transgressions or linger on the memories of the many hurts and pains he must have inflicted on his victims. We choose instead to gloriously bathe in the Valmiki Ramayana and celebrate that even a Ratnagar can be purified by our ancestral guidance.
Once I had read your article in the Chakra, I felt as I would have felt had I been poring over the details of Daaku Ratnagar’s evils and my mind would again say – “Hang on, knowing that he was an evil man once upon a time, is enough. I would now rather take delight in his spiritual ascendence which was due by his own words to Raama, the epitome of the glory that is India’s heritage.” So, I ask you Sameer, which choice of the two choices makes you feel closer to the loving forgiving essence of Raama, closer to the indomitable but incredibly positive spirit of Vivekananda, the gentle all forgiving love of RamaKrishna?
If one studies the Adhyatma Ramayana, even when Raama ended Raavana’s life he did so without shouldering any of the attributes of Raavana, ie he did it with a sense of detached love and complete forgiveness, no rancour , no hatred, no anger. If our ancient India is our Sita, yes Muller was a Raakshas, if Sanatan Dharma is Mata Sita, then yes Muller accosted her and assaulted her. My point is this – in fighting Raavana do we do so as Raama in which case Satya and Prem emerge victorious, or do we do so by becoming Ravaana in which case the energy of Avidya and Hatred, the fire of rage and of anger, merely find a new host to infect and to continue their work from. The choice is ours and I choose to trumpet the fact that even a hatred and contempt filled Muller was purified by Sanatan Dharma as declared by him in his OWN words – let me hear the Hindu haters as you call them refute THIS fact. On the basis of this single fact alone, the Vedas stand validated and even more unimpeachable.
Focussing our energy on the darkness and evil of ignorance, we become so and focussing our energy on light and love we become so, but like Swami Vivekanandaji said many times, in Bharat love and light need to be re united with strength and resolution. I would merely venture to add that if by acquiring force and strength we loose our ancestral connection with love and light and befriend darkness and hatred, Macaulay and the TRUE Hindu haters win. Satya Sanatan Dharma ki Jai ho, Bharat Mata ki Jai ho. My pranaams to you all.
Sonali Tripathi says
Satishiji,
I understand what are implying but I am afraid you still have lost the significance of the article in the first place i.e namely of making the readers aware that Max Mueller clones exist and are continuing to be manufactured till the present day.
Again since you talked about Bhagawan Ram I hope you do not forget that with all the ‘detached love’ he had for Ravana, it did not stop him from annhilating him in the battlefied so that Sita mata was released from his cluches and his dharmic brother Vibhashan could be the king.
Jason Kay says
Satish no one is focusing on ‘the darkness and evil of ignorance’ but on the prevailing mentality started by Max Muller of distorting the Vedas which still continues in many forms even now..Its a syndrome that affects many who then promote themselves as experts on Hinduism..When Hinduism itself encourages to even question the gods then how does questioning Max Muller and his motives earlier become darkness and evil ? Of course without Ravaan lord Rama wouldn’t have taken birth but we are not praying to Ravaan everyday are we ? Ive been part of a group that’s given talks on atrocities on Hindus in Bangladesh and Pakistan ect at house of lords and the house of commons on several occasions so does that mean we are promoting darkness and evil ? I don’t think so. Max Mullers later views on the Vedas suddenly brings him on par with Rishi Valmiki because far as I know he didn’t bring forth something on the level of the Ramayana and also didn’t convert to Hinduism
Jason Kay says
‘Max Mullers later views on the Vedas ‘doesn’t ‘suddenly brings him on par with Rishi Valmiki because far as I know he didn’t bring forth something on the level of the Ramayana and also didn’t convert to Hinduism’
Sameer Thakkar says
@Satish Sharma :
Your latest post was that of a humble saint devoid of any spirit of Kshatriya and Sanatan Dharma. Neither I am Ram nor I am Vivekananda. I’d like to follow my own path and not copy anybody else’s as for copying, in my humble opinion, requires same circumstances, upbringing and mindset. Your analogy of Max Muller with Ravana is incorrect, IMO, as Ravan was a known sage who never tried distort the Vedas. On the contrary, he was a great learned in Veda. He was only overtaken by his anger that arose from the insult to “Shoorpnakha”, his sister.
If you want me to compare me to anyone, then the closest match would be the Rishis and the messengers who “informed” Ram of the Rakshas clan, how they disturb them and about their daily atrocities. Thus these Rishis and messengers were the source, a mediators, informers to the supreme consciousness that manifested on earth in the form of Ram that we call as an avatar. Thus, many hindus, who are still trying to expose the distortions done to the Vedas and atrocities being done in the name of appeasement and secularism, are too doing the work of raising the collective consciousness in this age of Kaliyuga. That would be the correct analogy!
Now let me ask you simple questions
1) What do you do when you are bitten by mosquitoes?
Do you start acting like a saint? Do you forget what happened or do you turn on the “Good Night” ( or other mosquito killers )?
2) What do you do when a thief enters your house because you left the door open? Do you preach to the world that this should be forgotten and leave the door open again?
3) What do you do when some rapist comes to your house and does what he intends to do? Do you again preach that this should be forgotten or do you register a police complaint and in your heart want the laws on rape punishment to be stringent?
Even when you are getting sweaty because of humidity and heat, you take actions to get up and switch on the fan or AC. You don’t preach to your body to forget the heat or humidity. When you are down with fever, suffer from severe constipation or cancer, you take proper medication. You don’t tell you normal cells inside your body to forget what “cancerous cells” have done.
Had hindus forgotten and not taken up reactionary and precautionary measures, their fate would be the same as that of other civilizations that were devoured by abrahamic invaders. Freedom of speech is banned in most of the Islamic nations and you wouldn’t be here discussing this with so much “freedom”.
India is a nation that has never attacked any other civilization but has always accepted other cultures like Islam and christianity in the name of “athiti devo bhava”. But Hinduism foremost practice is the prevelance of dharma. Accepting injustice or letting it prevail is not dharma, but adharma. It is embedded in human nature and human soul itself. The body’s architecture itself is such that the WBC or the white blood cells fight to protect the body of any injuries or injustices. Take out the WBC’s from your body and the next thing you may notice is an out-of-body experience with a dead body lying with vultures hovering it. Thus the body has its own immunity system which acts like a kshatriya to protect the human body. The brain is the one which acts like a bhrahmin and tells the body how to power the immunity system and what to do.
If you don’t like to listen to the truth or the historical accounts of abrahamic invaders and their atrocities, then closing one’s ears would be a better option instead of trying to tell other people to “stop rising to their dharmic paths”. Alternatively, you can go to the abrahamic circles and tell them
– To stop killing goats and “forget” what Allah’s commanded to Muhammed i.e the story of Bakr-Id.
– To stop remembering babri masjid and move on
– To “forget” ancient arab practices of circumcision which the modern findings show as unscientific and unnatural
– To preach the saintly words to the abrahamic followers and teach them the art of “detachment” to a particular name and rever the Hindu practices as well, just like a Hindu can say ‘Inshalla’ easily.
– To forget the anmosity between Jews, Christian with Muslims as stated in chapter 5 of Quran.
– To forget Sharia and work with the national laws
You don’t need to tell the words of wisdom to Hindus, as Veda and Upanishads are the ones which have sourced the major philosophies and sciences in the world. You can read the accounts and testimonials of the major scientists and philosophers to the check the same. Why is it that everyone is giving free speeches to the Hindus who are trying to preserve their own heritage, culture, science and philosphies and don’t have enough mettle to do the same to the abrahamic followers who are hellbent to destroy other civilizations for expanding their own?
Thus when you leave the House of Lords, I wonder why isn’t their a will inside of you to expose the truth. I wonder why their is a sense of “personal purification” or why tears come down through your eyes? You cannot tell the bishops to “forget” their actions/adharma, but you seem to have the courage to come to the people who are trying to defend their houses to forget their work/dharma? If I had a son, I’d have sent him to a school which taught the Indian history correctly, where sanskrit was a subject from childhood and not missionary school to further the damage and break the spiritual backbone as planned by Muller and Macaulay. By sending your son to a missionary school you seem to have forgetton pretty easily of the damages and are directly responsible for further instilling the elements of “Adharma” in your own kid. Aren’t you afraid that one day your son might come to you and ask, “Dad why didn’t you send me to a school that was Indian and taught patriotism”? Ask you ancestors who died fighting for India, if this is what they sacrificed their lives for, so that their great grandson would study in an environment which promotes “Adharma” and denigration of their own motherland?
I am not aware of Valmiki’s past, but my only source of interest is the shrutis which constitutes the Vedas and the Upanishads. Thus what Valmiki did or not did is irrelevant here. These were the Rishis and Mahabharata and Ramayana are the epics, a part of smriti and the Indian history. From these epics one should understand their “dharma” better with the true ideals of Vedas and Upanishads and inner conscience in the heart.
Therefore all the stories, you’ve brought would look good in abrahamic forums, as abrahamic scriptures themselves are a mix of stories and prophetic accounts, where you can ask them to “forget” the anmosity, goat and kafir killing, chauvinistic conceptions, shedding the vatican, forgetting sharia etc and your accounts of “tears and personal purification” when slaughter and adharma is being discussed!
Finally, yes we should focus on the light. But the first step towards that is to know what darkness is. Without darkness, we cannot know what is light. Without knowing bad, we cannot know what is good. Without knowing sour, we cannot know what is sweet. Its the complete knowledge of the yin and yang and without either, one is in dark with incomplete knowledge (refer Isha Upanishad). And thus, on the various Hindu forums all across the internet you’d find the verses from the Vedas and Upanishads as well as the atrocities done by Ravan, Kansa, missionaries, Abrahamic invaders etc.
I agree with Swami VivekAnand’s statement : “Many times, in Bharat love and light need to be re-united with strength and resolution”
What you don’t understand, is that this statement of VivekAnand reflects the true spirit of a Kshatriya who knows all his enemies, but still has an aura of love in front. Lord Krishna, also went to the kauravas to promote peace and love and stop war many times. He never preached to “forget” what kauravas did and when there was no other option….the war was inevitable! Thus, this article “Max Muller Syndrome” is reminder to the present day kauravas and the likes of them, to remind them of the past and understand about “Dharma”. No offence, but it seems that your conceptions about Hinduism are poor. They seem to be borrowed from the “new age beliefs” that preach the word of love and care all the times, which also stem from Hinduism, but divorce them from the true spirit of Sanatan Dharma. Such words have empty meanings and hypocritic to the core!
Your last statement … : “Satya Sanatan Dharma ki Jai ho, Bharat Mata ki Jai ho. My pranaams to you all.” : … can only be realized if the history of bharatmata, truth and the ideals of Sanatan Dharma, Veda and Upanishads are kept alive and this includes the history of Max muller, distortions done by him and his likes and its consequences that can be felt to this present age!
Pranaam!
Sonali Tripathi says
Namaste Satishji,
I hope the silence from your end means that you are actually giving though to the various points raised by Sameer, Jason, Gia and Tina and soon be a dharmic intellectual warrior.
Interestingly, David Frawley a western by birth but now a hindu by heart and soul and now known as Pandit Vamadev Shastri has this to say about intellectual kshatriyas.
/Code for an Intellectual Kshatriya
Many modern Hindus, taking up an excessive view of non-violence, have rejected the idea of any Hindu Kshatriya altogether. This attitude has naturally led to the idea that Hindus should not challenge media distortions of their religion either. However in the Vedic view a country cannot exist without a Kshatriya order, which is the pillar of the society. The Mahabharata states that if there is not a righteous Kshatriya rulership that employs the danda or is willing to punish adharma, then the people will end up eating each other. In the information age we could say that if Hindus do not create an intellectual Kshatriya then the people will end up destroying themselves with false beliefs and propaganda.
The Vedas declare that Brahma or spiritual power and Kshatra or political power must always go together. When Brahma or spiritual power develops it creates an appropriate Kshatra or social power to extend its influence into society. It provides a Dharmic order to human relations, both individual and collective. If Brahma or spiritual power fails to impact the social order and cannot raise the social Dharma, then it is a sign that this Brahma or spiritual power itself has failed, that it is not legitimate or real.
This true combination of Brahma and Kshatra creates an intellectual Kshatriya. For the true Brahmin his weapon is his speech. Many such Kshatriya Brahmanas existed in the past. In fact the Puranas relate that the Angirasa Rishis, the oldest Vedic seer family, was one of Kshatriya Brahmanas. This movement of a new spiritual Kshatriya of modern Hindus needs to be completed today, not only for the generation of Hindu society but for the revival of Sanatana Dharma or the universal tradition of truth throughout the world. The main Kshatriya that can carry the day today is the intellectual Kshatriya.
Hindus must create a new intelligentsia that has the power to overcome and absorb the alienated and Western dominated intellectuals of India, projecting an intellectual view that is articulate and compelling. They must turn Sanatana Dharma into a world cultural force, not merely a religious curiosity. For a culture that has produced such thinkers as the Vedic seers, Upanishadic sages, Kapila, Buddha, Patanjali and Shankara, and in the modern times Sri Aurobindo and Ramana Maharshi, this is certainly possible. In fact such great modern figures of India as Sri Aurobindo and Swami Vivekananda are good models of intellectual Kshatriyas as well as spiritual masters. Clearly the success of Hindus in such intellectual fields as science and medicine shows that they have the capacity. What is lacking is the motivation, the guidance, and perhaps the inspiration.
Another mistake Hindus have made is being too accommodating under the guise of synthesis, which erodes clear thinking. Under the guise that all religions are one Hindus hesitate to develop a proper criticism, however justified, of the exclusivist creeds working to convert them, and of other adharmic actions done in the name of religion in the world. There is also the danger that in trying to attract minorities into their fold Hindu groups in India will seek to appease minorities rather than to help them in a Dharmic way. The true Kshatriya will help and lead, giving a positive direction for others to follow, not merely flatter and accommodate in order to gain popularity. A true Kshatriya is devoted to Dharma and cannot be won over by name, fame, influence or money. He is not seeking office, to create a vote bank, or to gain followers, but to uphold Dharma without compromise or inflexibility.
The youth in particular must be awakened to this call for an intellectual Kshatriya. They have the idealism and the vision of the future, as well as the vitality, but this needs to be directed not only by a spiritual urge but one that addresses the problems of society. To be truly relevant, particularly to the youth, this intellectual voice must address not only the social issues of today but environmental problems, the role of science, and the future evolution of humanity.
An intellectual Kshatriya must not merely be defensive but creative and expansive. Otherwise it will get caught in the past. It must project a positive view of Hindu Dharma, and give it a futuristic vision. Its purpose is not merely to adjust present or historical wrongs but to chart out a new direction for all to follow. In this regards Hindu intellectuals must go to the universal roots of their tradition and find a compelling vision that can gather people of all backgrounds, helping them break through limited and unspiritual beliefs toward a yogic vision of humanity. This new Kshatriya must be willing to spread Hindu Dharma in a dynamic way along the lines of the old Vedic impulse, krinvanto vishwam aryam, make all the world noble.
Such an intellectual Kshatriya must be based upon deep thought and careful analysis. It cannot be developed through mere rhetoric, character assassination, or slogans. It requires not only a well structured critique of opposing forces but a positive program of action. It requires not only a Hindu examination of religion, science and politics, but also the creation of a Hindu alternative to existing systems. It requires a model for revitalizing Hindu society itself.
For those who wish to take up the role of intellectual Kshatriya there is much that can be done. An intellectual Kshatriya must challenge media distortions, whether in schools, books, newspapers, or in the media or the Internet. It must also produce genuine information expressing the truth of Sanatana Dharma, whether relative to history, art, politics, religion or philosophy. This means a new revival in the field of Hindu education, which is perhaps the key factor.
This Hindu intelligentsia must be willing to debate with other groups, including exposing their distortions and wrongs beliefs, even if someone might get offended by this. It must resurrect the tradition of tarka or intellectual debate that makes the darshanas or philosophies of Hinduism so significant. It must create a forum in which everything is critically examined so only truth remains. In short, it must wield the sword of viveka or discrimination, discerning the true from the false, and not bowing down to ignorance anywhere.
The new intellectual Kshatriya must throw up an ethical challenge, which is the challenge of Dharma, exposing the danger of exclusivist religious cults, materialistic political philosophies, and unchecked commercialism. The West throws its ethical challenge to the world, criticizing other countries, including India, for a lack of human rights. This requires a Hindu response, which is to expose the West’s promotion of arms sales, environmental depredation, and projection of sensate materialism all over the world. Clearly the Western voice of human rights is not truly Dharmic but motivated by commercial and nationalistic interests. Hindus need to create an ethical alternative to such questionable Western humanitarianism and one that can absorb what is genuine in it as well.
To truly develop Hindu groups must cultivate and honor their intellectual Kshatriya, which not only includes listening to them but promoting their views and funding their work. They must stop hiding in the veil of spirituality and allowing the forces of adharma to rule the world and even pontificate over their religion, telling them what it is and what it is worth.
In Western intellectual circles the talk today is of a “clash of civilizations.” This is mainly spoken of as a clash between the West and Islam, or a clash between the West and Chinese culture. In this clash of world civilizations the Hindu has been recognized as one of the players but has already been written off as minor. Why is this the case? Because the Hindu voice has only a small place in the world sphere whether politically, economically or intellectually. Clearly without an intellectual Kshatriya Hindus will not likely be part of this churning out of a new world order.
Now these may not be pleasant items for Hindus to hear. Should we rather not speak of Rama and Krishna and forget this turmoil of Kali Yuga, some might say? True spirituality is not an escape but a transcendence. A truly spiritual person can face the facts of the world, however unpleasant, without having to turn away or without losing inner composure. This is also the message of Rama and Krishna, if we really look at their lives and actions, which, in both cases, included the battlefield.
There are those who may fear that an intellectual Hindu Kshatriya may promote a new Hindu fundamentalism and result in an oppression of minorities in India. The Hindu Kshatriya tradition is not one of aggression but of protection, not of forcing conversion to a religion but upholding the Dharma. It is a tradition of holding to truth and promoting a culture in which freedom to pursue truth, not only in the outer world, but also in the religious realm, is preserved. Is this not what the global age really requires? It is time for that Kshatriya to arise again. The extent that it does will be the measure of the future of India and perhaps of any Dharmic revival in this adharmic world. Let us hope that this call is heeded! Who is there to answer it? Let them stand forth./
G Srinivasan says
The learned gentlemen and ladies airing their views on Vedic knowledge while beating down Max Muller is indeed anachronistic and humorous. More so with replies quoting David Frawley as an authority on the caste categorization! Its a classic case of the glitterati stealing the Vedic thunder.
Perhaps none of the writers have read or heard of centuries old treatises of Kumarila and Prabhakara
on Manu’s famous codification to bring in a democratic environment even then. They had recognized even in those days that caste or varna groupings were purely out of genetic preponderance and not one by lineage. Children of the four varnas could be born in one family. The principle of this understanding rose out of the basic three guna characteristics expounded by Maharishi Kapilla in Sankhya, embedded in the second chapter of the Bhagavadgita. Transfering to a modern background,
any dynamic fundamental state can polarise into 2 as 00 and 01 and these could further polarise as 10 and 11 as the first harmonic. This gave the four varna characteristics as 11 being brahmana, 01 as Kshatrya, 10 as vasya and 00 as kshudra as the vasana or genetic traits The source of this lay in the fact that Vedic language was only spoken then (and did not have a script at all as scripting was a primitive invention) and did not have a numerical code (a la arabic of today) but the letters had its inherent numerical value. Hence the Ksha being zero the the Kshatrya and the Kshudra formed 2 and 4th order in the Vedic numerical code while the Brahman 11 and Vasya 10 the first and second order. Ancient Sanskrit being a purely vocal language the rules were created in the relevant Pratisakhya , most of which do not even exist today.( see World Affairs article on Sankhya in vol6, no 3, 2002)). Manu’s codification placed the Brahmana varna as an intellectual type while the Kshudra varna as one with immense physical capabilities while the Kshatrya and Vasya were the crossover traits with both characteristics. No one was superior or inferior. The intellectual type of Brahmana being weaker physically was to be supported by the stronger Kshudra by providing the fruits of their labour in exchange for his knowledge. Hence the Brahmin became the Biksha to accept food from others. The other two were to provide the transition phases to support a society that integrally wove into a self supporting and self-organising group that could live in socila harmony. The female gender were to be supported by all the groups in every way to enrich the human family. Hence the land belonging to feminine groups were to be worked by the male members. But lo and behold, the greed and avarice that set in as a consequence of the safety net provided by social harmony, drove subsequent generations to latch on to the most comfortable groupings despite the fact that they could have been of different vasana or genetic charcteristics.
Girdhar says
@Srinivasan : And who exactly told you that
1. Bhrahmin were weaker physically?
2. kshatriya were weaker in terms of knowledge?
Do you even know that Dronacharya was known as great Kshatriya in mahabharat? Do you know Ravana who was a Kshatriya was a great learned in Vedas? Do you know Krishna, raised in a family of cowherd and farmers, was unparalleled both terms of knowledge and strength?
It is the way people chose to serve the society which characterized them. Today if I chose to pursue science, I might be called a scientist (analogous to bhrahmin class). if I chose to become an armyman, then the world would be calling me as such and hence analogous to Kshatriya, From being a businessman, I can become an armymen by joining the army. From being an armymen I can chose to become a doctor too (bhrahmin).
Bhagvada Gita chapter 18 verses 41-44. You have talked about Bhagvad gita, but it seems you know a little about it.
G Srinivasan says
Girdhar I am touched by your sincerity turning to anger and the question “And who exactly told you that” is an excellent expletive. No one told me but the facts in Sankhya by Maharashi Kapilla, embedded in chapter 2 of the Bhagvadgita.
You can also learn like I have done over the last 40 years by researching into Sankhya theory and is on my website displaying the phenomenal glory of the excellence of Vedic Science as the epitome of intellectual excellence of a giant among humans, Maharishi Kapilla.
See http://s2.webstarts.com/Sankhyakarika/index.html. My research over the last 40 years covers all 4 Vedas, Brahma Sutras, Puranas and over 200 upanishads.
Your reference to Chapter 18 verses 41 to 44 is excellent and direct but unfortunately you have perhaps missed Chapter 14, Verse 4 , which DEFINES the genetic character of the three GUNAS.
That chapter contains 27 verses and I recommend that you should read it at least 27 times and specially 26 perhaps a thousand times till the full import of the excellent scientific knowledge laid bare for us to follow is soaked into your psyche. You can dialoge directly with me at if you would like to exchange info to our mutual benefit and promote the excellence of Vedic science among the glitterati and pseudo intellectuals
Girdhar says
@Srinivasan :
Thats a very well planned way to advertise your site, talk of Hinduism out of context so that you might get a few lucky hits on your site.
Your research for the last 40 years seem to have gone in vain and unsuccessful, it seems, as you end up generalising on juvenile assumptions like ‘Bhrahmins were weaker physically and Kshatryas weaker in terms of knowledge’.
The verse 14.4 which you talk about puts your foot in your mouth. The verse itself connotes that the supreme consciousness and the collective form of all energies (also reflected in other chapters like 7 and 10) which are defined, is responsible for all generation. You may further read chapter 7 and 10 of Gita where Krishna tells the other manifestations of his ultimate nature.
And hence, everything manifests from “one supreme reality”. It is not a categorisation by birth, but have one common “seed” of existence!! Now if you look more closely at 14.4, it doesn’t talk about the three Gunas at all. You seem to have reduced the ultimate consciousness or the truth to some “genetic character”.
It is the verses after 14.4 which talk of the three qualities that comprise of a human body just like a body is made up of “good and bad qualities” as established in chapter 16 of Gita. Now had you done your research seriously enough, you’d have also found that these “modes keep on changing” and affect the behaviour of the person.
14.10
O Arjuna, the mode of goodness overpowering the modes of passion and ignorance, the mode of passion overpowering the modes of goodness and ignorance; similarly as well the mode of ignorance arises over the modes of goodness and passion.
14.11
When through the perceptual senses of the body illuminating knowledge manifests; know that certainly the mode of goodness predominates.
14.12
O Arjuna, when greed, restless exertion with great endeavor for fruitive activities, agitation ofthe senses, incessant desire for sensual indulgence; when all these arise the mode of passion predominates.
14.13
O Arjuna, nescience, inertness, neglectfulness and also illusion; when these arise the mode ofignorance predominates.
14.20
Transcending the three modes of material nature, which are the cause of the material body; being freed from birth, death, old age and misery; the embodied being enjoys ambrosial nectar.
Further, 14.7-9 talk about the “nature of the person” based on these modes and not genetic material. The verse 14.10 talks about the play of these modes and 14.11-14 gives the result of the change and the verses 22-26 teach how one can rise beyond and be unaffected by these modes! Now if these were “genetic character”, then how can one be unaffected by it? Even if you pursue practically, then also it is not necessary that the son be having the same “passion, ignorance or goodness” as that of his mother or father. It can vary from person to person and the GAutam Siddhartha who was “ignorant” of the wordly affairs initially became the Buddha later, the enlightened one. Thus, you seem to have ignored the whole of chapter 14 and other chapters and the entire conversation as a whole called “Bhagavad-Geet” to know the context of Krishna’s teachings and reduced it ignorantly as some “genetic character”.
A person can become restless depending on his state and nature or passionate at other times. And hence these modes keep on overpowering each other.
You seem to have either plagiarised even your critcism or your argument, or just read between the lines with filters of modern science, assumptions, bias etc, perhaps trying to search for a link to “genetic character” in the Gita to satisfy your own motives and grand theories.
You couldn’t see the simple truth of chapter 14 but you have rather reduced it to some absurd “genetic character”.
BTW, bringing in your “academic certifications and years of experience” is the last thing an intellectual does in an intellectual discussion. Such an argument is usually brought by those who feel unqualified to talk on the subject and want other people to blindly believe on what they say. Sure bring more verses from Bhagvada-Gita. It would be like drinking wine for me! I hope the discussion is becoming even more ‘touching’.
Jason Kay says
G Srinivasan, The impression im getting is that the reason you have ended up on this thread is because deep down in your subconscious your also suffer from Max Muller Syndrome ..
Satish Sharma says
Reading the above again, two things stand out for me. Firstly ALL of us are ardent followers of Sanatan Dharma and committed to India’s well being, secondly some of us are unable to recognise friends, preferring to beat others with the rods of “our own knowledge”. Many of the posts are full of barely restrained anger, condescension, even a tinge of hatred… Only that is learning which softens a persons voice, relaxes the grimace of hatred on a persons face, enables a person to see the suffering of others and to selflessly with affection and humour, meet the challenges that need to be faced. Until then we are no sons and daughters of Bharat Mata and until then we are weak and powerless, no more effective than fireworks that momentarily light the sky.
G Srinivasan says
Girdhar I am truly gratified by your invitation. Let me have the privilege of offering you a flagon of wine to go with verses I would recommend you should read in that heady state for it then would become understandable!
Since we are friends, let me clarify last thing first before getting to the task. Since you needled me with “Bhagvada Gita chapter 18 verses 41-44. You have talked about Bhagvad gita, but it seems you know a little about it”, I had to throw my “book” at you. Now that you have given a left-handed acknowledgment you can spare yourself the trouble of writing in the slokas and sutras for the numerical reference of the stanzas are precise enough.
In chapter 2, verse 39, Sankhya is specifically mentioned as the paradigm that would alleviate Arjuna’s woes that lead up to it. I am sure you would concede that this is not an accidental statement. Reinforcing it soon after in 42, the emphasis is “Naught else is there but the Vedic doctrine” as the essence of reality, cautioning that ” only flowery speeches are spoken by the unwise”. I am sure you would recognize that it is not my statement. I would also hasten to add that the entire discussion on these pages prior to my butting in falls in the realm of ” flowery speeches”
As though it was an answer to my prayer in 45, the extraordinary import of the three gunas is brought in to emphasise that objectivity in thinking attained by ” nistraigunyo” or by being free from the three gunas.
You are an intelligent man with a penchant for shooting your mouth off so I am sure you will understand the most important advice that Krishna gave Arjuna. In chapter 14 from verse 4 the more detailed explanation of the gunas are presented for they are of such signal importance that the entire chapter 14 is about them. You think these great thinkers who created these extraordinary works were wasting their time? So Girdhar wake up and renounce your initiative to put your own interpretation into Vedic works but try and understand what those authors are trying to convey about a magnificent reality. Incidentally, chapter 2 from 39 to 72 goes on to clarify the essence of that doctrine to Partha. Perhaps it may be advisable to dwell on each word and verse to see how it connects to the most advanced doctrine in the Universe as Sankhya. Otherwise it would not have been even mentioned in the GIta. I hope this offers more fodder to your empty canon. Cheers
G Srinivasan says
Jason Kaye
It is typical of the glitterati to pop in words like syndrome in a debate that is critical of the mode of understanding of the greatest work of a bygone civilisation. Late Lokmanya Tilak ( Mathematician and freedom fighter in India) was touched to the quick by the irrelevant and ill considered uttering’s of Max Muller and he tore his statements to bits through logical derivations in his two books that are a hallmark in understand our Vedic civilisation. Max Muller who had not even visited India, had the gall to state about Rigveda as the “infantile babblings of primitive tribes”. Do you think any self respecting Indian would even mention his name? Centering the principles of Vedic science ( as Hinduism, Sanatana Dharma, etc) around an individual who had the least understanding of our ancient works is anathema to people who treasure them. One can understand if the level of discussion was strictly objective and had the aim of eradicating the ideas that degraded our culture it would have been laudable. Why don’t you have the grace and intelligence to read the website created by an Indian who has spent his time in raising the level of understanding our ancient Vedic works in ttp://s2.webstarts.com/Sankhyakarika/index.html. You may be able to see the other side of the coin for what is on it is not my works but only the translation of an extraordinary theory.
G Srinivasan says
Satish Sharma,
Respect for our Vedic culture stems first from understanding the theoretical base on which it is formulated and next have the gumption to expose it in an objective way so that cobwebs of eons of misunderstanding is removed. Perhaps Vivekanda is the only Indian to have had the insight to understand Vedic Science and its derivatives as ritualistic religious practices as away of life and raised it to its rightful level and place in international forums. His magnificent effort left indelible impressions in the minds of people abroad, of Sankhya, as the core of Vedic science. Which for the first time removed the notions that Hinduism (as commonly known) was neither a monotheistic, polytheistic or even henotheistic (as Max Muller coined that phrase) nor a paganastic process of worship of trees, devils and whatever but the hallmark derivation of an axiom based science where the modern concepts of electromagnetic principles etc formed it foundation. The prolific inventor Tesla was gracious enough to say that his understanding of the field theory that he was an adept in was founded on Sankhyan axiomatic logic presented by Vivekananda. Sankhya has been relegated into oblivion because of the harm done by translators who did not have the wherewithal to understand a theory based on axioms for even today science is not an axiomatic derivation. The Bhagavad Gita interpretted the Sankhya sutras for the layman, whereas the the 68 sutras were mathematical. Maharishi Kapilla the author had a dictum that stated that meanings of pedagogical expressions and words were fuzzy whereas numerical statements were precise as few or many is not as precise as say six. While it is not my intention to pontificate, the irrelevant ramblings on a precise subject had to be set right for just as stated in the Gita chapter 2 verse 42 “flowery speeches” only led to misinterpretation.
Since you have bemoaned in your statement “Reading the above again, two things stand out for me. Firstly ALL of us are ardent followers of Sanatan Dharma and committed to India’s well being, secondly some of us are unable to recognise friends, ” allow me to correct impressions that encourage misinterpretation of axiomatic principles that forms the base of all Dharmas,all of which indeed stem from the basic Sankhyan theory embedded in the Bhagavad Gita. Very few adepts have delved into Sankhyan principles because of its mathematical base, where the principle of counting cyclic events forms the logic. Instead of my restating the 68 sutras of Mh. Kapilla it is presented on my wbsite as an elaborate translation which I am sure you would understand. Sankhya is the core of the Bhagavad Gita for not only is it in the second chapter but its principles pervade it from end to end but Muni Kapilla is likened to Krishna himself. Its on the website as a translation and perhaps is easier for you to read it than my explaining again. Cheers
Satish Sharma says
Srinivasanji, thank you for your insight, it is received in the spirit in which it was offered. In my youth I spent many hours laughing with delight at the ganita sutras in the Atharva Veda, and as a former Mathematical Economist, have downloaded your highly commendable work for deeper perusal. Having done so, I hope to have revealed many pearls of revelation. Thank you once again.
With regard to flowery speeches about the Gita, every chapter declares the Gita to be a Yoga Shastra and my master said many times, it can only be “seen” by a Yogi having received guidance by a Yogi. The temptation to gently nudge non-yogi’s in a deeper direction still rears its head and I learn every time the futility of the effort – always a useful reminder! Its curious that my son whose name is VivekAnand has been doing research in Tesla’s work recently so I shall also direct him to the fruits of your labours too. Many thanks and I look forward to communicating further.
G Srinivasan says
My dear friend Satish
it is indeed a delight to see a confrontation turn into a compromise. I am very sure that as a mathematical economist you would find in Sankhya the ultimate theoretical formulation based entirely on axiomatic logic that no economy can grow but only attain a balance. The theorems in Sankhya are indeed out of this world and am indeed grateful to have you promoting a A science that the world needs badly today.
Indeed your son Vivekananda doing research on on Tesla’s work is not only fortutious but a direct adjunct to promoting Vedic science in all its religious avatars. Please tell him that I have as a compulsive effort to prove Vedic excellence have built a perpetual motor / generator that runs itself as derived and predicted by Mh Kapilla in Sutra 33 in Sankhya. I would like humanity to understand that Vedic theory predicts that abundant energy is its birthright but by using their intelligence they can extract it from the space that forms the womb of the Universe as shown in the Bhagavadgita too.
Sankhya defines space as Aikantha, Ayhyantha, Atho, Abhavath, the state of perpetual dynamism or the Sanatana Dharma as its pseudonym. You and I are a part of that dynamism. Krishna emphasis that dynamic space as the atman is within you and in chapter 2 verse 55 urges one to to raise the self by itself meaning the eternal Guru is within you. Can any living creature ask for more?
Girdhar says
@Srinivasan : The only problem with mugging up the texts or plagiarising the secondary opinions is that you don’t yourself understand anything which can be seen repeatedly in your posts which state
1. Kshatriya are weaker in terms of knowledge and Brahmins weaker physically
2. and a Mockery of the three gunas as “genetic character”.
And now, you bring up verse 2.42. Pretty predictable!
Yes, ” only flowery speeches are spoken by the unwise” is not your statement and it seems you couldn’t grasp the meaning of this verse too.
Verse 42, 43
O Arjuna, men of limited understanding presume speculative interpretations of the Vedic scriptures, advocating that there is no divine principle in creation; full of lascivious desires, aiming to attain the lush heavenly worlds; they glorify only the statements in the Vedas which are pleasing to their senses; performing numerous ostentatious rituals productive of good birth, wealth and power insuring sense enjoyment and worldly pleasures.
The verse is self descriptive. But still, FYI, it exposes the “‘attachment’ to the flowery words of the Vedas”. The verse portrays how being “attached” to the knowledge one dissolves into ignorance. The basic aspect of an intellectual mind is questioning as promoted by the veda, upanishads and Gita. Without questioning and an intellectual thinking, one dissolves into blind believing and it is dangerous for any science be it modern science or the Veda.
Today you’d find kids “attached” to the evolution theory and when asked how life started, they would be quick to answer ‘evolution theory’ not even knowing the evolution doesn’t talk about life’s creation at all. Thus attachment brings blind acceptance to concepts and ideologies which is dangerous for the science and the mankind. Remember, science progresses only when people understand it and build up on it from their own understanding and understanding would take place only if you question yourself and your own beliefs through a “detached” framework which leads to an objective understanding.
A detached/objective mind is never affected by worldy materialism at plat as presented in length in the entire Gita e.g
When your spiritual intelligence, unaffected and uninfluenced by karmic interpretations of the Vedas remains steady; at that time you will achieve the pure spiritual state by the science of uniting the individual consciousness with the Ultimate Consciousness.(BG 2.53)
So yes you may think of the discussion falling into the realm of “flowery discussion”. But as pointed out by verse 2.42-43, only men of “limited understanding” fall into such category. You seem to have ignored the content of my previous two replies and hence finding new verses to satisfy your motives not realising that you are exposing your ignorance and “limited understanding” more and more.
To add, 2.45 also nails your ‘limited understanding’ of the three gunas which you reduced to ‘genetic character’.
Thank you for calling me as a friend, but it seems I’m doing baby sitting trying to explain the meaning of the “flowery words” and expand the “limited understanding” of my friend! So please keep the flow coming with more verses as find convenient ….
Jason Kay says
G Srinivasan, Its easy to work out beneath all the intellectual camaflouge your true agenda which Girdhar has clearly exposed..Max Muller syndrome doesnt mean you are a follower of Max muller. And even more you could even be his biggest critic of his scholarship but we are not talking about him but the activities he got up to which is to distort the Vedas to a Christian template to further their agenda just like you are doing by distorting vedic knowledge to push your agenda..
G Srinivasan says
Great. So You like the nitty-gritty. I can provide that in sack-fulls till you are tired. Why have you conveniently evaded any reference to 39? Worried about backtracking? Would you have the grace and honesty to accept that 39 expounding Sankhya is true, real and correct and not a figment of MY imagination? Since you are fond of quoting literally let me also drill you with it” This is the Sankhya doctrine declared to thee, listen now to the wisdom of Yoga. When thou shalt become devout by means of this teaching, thou shalt cast away the bonds of action”. Meaning the bias of ignorance.
So my good but misguided friend, read Sankhya . Its free and on my website.. Does not cost you anything but the press of your computer button. The wisdom of ages will pour into your vision but its upto you to accept or not. Be very clear its not my work but Mh Kapilla whom Krishna equates to himself. Could there be anything greater? Wake up my good friend because education down the ages has been nothing other that conditioning the minds of innocents. At your age you should have the courage to think for your self , which is detailed out from 42 onwards. If you chose to misinterpret it that is your privilege. Obviously you have not visited my website nor have you accepted the flagon of wine I gave in all generosity.
Girdhar says
BG 2.39
O Arjuna I have explained to you this spiritual intelligence regarding the nature of the soul; now listen to this science of actions without fruitive desires by which spiritual intelligence is endowed completely releasing you from the bondage of reactions from actions.
@Srinivasan :
Had you cared to read a little more, then you’d have realised that the verse 2.39 is line with 2.45 actually and reflects what I stated on three gunas earlier as again shown in verses 14.22-26. 2.39 clearly shows “detachment”!
Now read again all my previous posts to connect in case you already forgotten them.
The rest of the part of your post seems to be an emotional rant. As a friend, I can give emotional support. But, your 40 years seems to have been wasted. “Detachment is the key to understand science and not filters of bias and assumptions which made you write juvenile statements like “Bhrahmins are physically inferior and kshtriya inferior in terms of knowledge” and reduction of the three gunas to some “genetic character” with further lack of understanding of 2.42 .
So please take friendly suggestion and reread Gita : http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/
Alternatively, why don’t you just advertise you site through google ads?
G Srinivasan says
Well wisher Jason,
I think there is a great communication gap. From the statements you have made it seems that I was talking about Christianity. My quotes are from Sankhya, embedded in the Bhagavadgita chapter 2 and onwards. My website that I refer to is on Maharishi Kapilla’s great creation. These are the facts on which I have written to the readers of this paper. Then by inference one has to draw the grossest conclusion that Maharishi Kapilla himself is distorting the Vedas. Perhaps you are not the only one for you are in greater company. Adi Sankracharya declared that Kapilla’s work was an atheistic creation, despite its inclusion in the Bhagavadgita, and is not to be accepted for the Vedas are without origin and any pronouncements that denies that state is a violation of sacred concepts. But here is the cleavage. Mh Kapilla said that Sankhyan concepts are based on axioms or “Apthavachana” and since axioms cannot be disproved it has the same state of lacking an origin. Hence axiomatic states are also divine for they exist eternally, for no one can disprove an axiom and forms the very foundation of Sanatana Dharma. Why was there this dichotomy? Its simple. Siva was supreme not Krishna or Brahma or Vishnu for the Sankracharya had his loyalties based on Sivabakthi. The long and the short of it is that the very Vedas that the Adi Sankaracharya said could not be toyed with, did not mention any where in its voluminous slokas, either Siva, Vishnu or Brahma as a divine entity. Why? . There lies a historical sequence that you can read in the world affairs journal vol six, number 3 article on Sankhya. As a case to point the very first sloka in the Rigveda, the pride and joy of our civilisation, is a most wonderful sloka of 25 Sanskrit characters as “Agnimile purohitam yajnasya devamritvajam hotaram ratnadhatamam” meaning in ancient Sanskrit ” Agnimile as the process of expansion” “Purohitam as theorising” “yajnasya as triggering divine action” devamritvajam as the nectar of divine nature = space” ” hotaram as the process of extraction” “ratnadhatamam as the highest rewards”. First reaction to it would be wishful thinking and grossly mistranslated. But the authors gave the proof that could only be recognised in our current generation.
The twenty five Sankrit letters that also stood for numerical values gave the volume of a lightwave in one second and to boot, with 25 decimal accuracy. Those authors had to be gods in the literal sense for it tallies with Physics meticulous measurements of the speed of a light wave. Is this denigration of Vedic excellence or forcing the ignorant multitudes to revel in the origins of their culture? Did Max Muller make us proud or did he grind us into the dust. Am I exposing a derogatory feature of Vedas? If you don’t believe it it is your funeral. But their is an easy way out. Visit that website and see for yourself the greatness of the people that populated this earth before us. Only one reason you wont want to to verify that in black and white. Fear of losing your learnt moorings. The Bhagavadgita urges us to shed that by being without Gunas so that we can peep through and see the truth , even if it is only a second. Did not Krishna urge Arjuna to do the same when he had this intense conflict of guilt and wrong doing? If I am suffering from a Max Muller syndrome you must have come from Mars!!!
Jason Kay says
i did not say u was talking about christianty but try to understand what im saying properly instead of giving long lectures.Just like max muller you yourself are manipulating vedic knowledge to put forward your own theories..
G Srinivasan says
I didnt say that.
“the activities he got up to which is to distort the Vedas to a Christian template to further their agenda just like you are doing by distorting vedic knowledge to push your agenda..”
I get the feeling that you cant even spell Veda and its my fault trying to explain
G Srinivasan says
Girdhar be honest. Is the word Sankhya not in the original text in 2 39? The website you gave has it ? How come you missed it. If you say no perhaps you mus thave been reading Agatha Christies novels.
Jason Kay says
Well you dont even understand in what context that is said is why you are confusing yourself and are trying to confuse others with your theories by trying to promote them here and every other thread you turn up with a links to your site..
G Srinivasan says
Jason you have invited this comment of mine. Are’nt you the confused one, missing the woods for the trees in your anxiety to see your name in print spouting your two penny worth of ideas? Have you forgotten that Sameer Thakkar initiated this excellent thread to caution the glitterati from hurting the sentiments of a passive society that allowed plunderers to to do their wont without even retaliating? Max Muller resorted to intellectual plunder just like you are now doing against the same social structure trying to rebut those vitriolic barbs?
Girdhar says
@Srinivasan :
I never had a lesser intellectual discussion than this. I am discussing about science and you are obsessed with one of its branches and asking if physics is a part of science or not.
The whole chapter 2 of Gita is called Sankhya Yog. I wonder about your obsession with it instead of comprehending Gita as a whole. When did I ever deny about Sankhya? But it seems your “attachment” to the “flowery words” of Sankhya has weakened your comprehension of the Bhagvad-Geet as a whole.
G Srinivasan says
Gidhar you say ” When did I ever deny about Sankhya? But it seems your “attachment” to the “flowery words” of Sankhya has weakened your comprehension of the Bhagvad-Geet as a whole.”
But who wrote this :
“BG 2.39
O Arjuna I have explained to you this spiritual intelligence regarding the nature of the soul; now listen to this science of actions without fruitive desires by which spiritual intelligence is endowed completely releasing you from the bondage of reactions from actions.” and where is the word Sankhya in it?”
My good friend you have been caught with your hand in the till, which truly means that you would rather resort to subterfuge instead of quitting gracefully.
Girdhar says
@Srinivasan :
Either you are a scizophrenic, inarticulate or perhaps unable to read the sanskrit mapping of the english translation. Like I stated, the word-by-word meaning is given. Perhaps you’d like to read : http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-02-39.html
Sankhya is one of the schools of Indian philosophies. Do you even understand the meaning of the term Sankhya? The english translations of the site I gave gives “Dharma” as righteousness. But funny people like you’d be searching for the word “Dharma” all over forgetting ‘righteousness’ itself is the closest english translation for dharma. It doesn’t mean that Krishna is trying to explain some school of thought.
Yoga, Sankhya, Vedanta etc are the schools based on a holistic science known as Veda. These schools of thoughts discuss different aspects of this holistic science and Gita summarises beautifully the essence of the Veda and unity of the supreme reality as pointed out in chapter 7 and 10 clearly.
I’m feeling like a teacher trying to enlighten an innocent whiner who doesn’t know what he is talking of. From talking childish about Bhrahmins inferiority physically and khastriya inferiority in terms of knowledge, to reduction of the three gunas to ‘genetic character’, you have reduced even more to the further dissecting of the Gita to find some words like ‘Sankhya’ in it. Even your rants are getting absurd. If you are replying with a teenaged mentality unreasonably just for the “last post wins” which is only making you look ignorant more and more, then just say so and you can have the ‘last post wins’.
From teaching you about Gita, I have come down to teaching you about sanskrit translations.
Sonam says
With all due respect Mr G. Srinivasan,
Are you saying that you’ve unlocked the secret of the vedas or gita or whatever? and that your theory or kapila’s is equated with the “whole” vedic truth of existence? So does you theory cover everything? Does it provide answers to everything? Even if your answer is yes, what have you accomplished that is greater than the already established vedic insights? How are your theories more important than vedic truths or what the gita propounds? If you say that its not and that you are just explaining whats in the vedas/gita, are you making yourself the sole authority on knowing whats in there and monopolizing the scripture? Are you saying you’re the only one who knows what its all about like some chosen prophet? And also if yes, how come i’ve never heard of you or your ground breaking ‘theory’? and what are you doing promoting it on chakra? Why aren’t you attending conferences and establishing your theory worldwide? Also I went through your website.. and honestly the info there is too complex and would probably be grasped only by a few intellectuals… in which case how do you expect to liberate the conditioned masses who probably do not speak the language that you communicate?
G Srinivasan says
Girdhar don’t prevaricate and throw in a lot of irrelevant nonsense all which wont bamboozle me ever.
Chapter 2 verse 39 is “esa te bhihita sankhye buddhiryoge tvimam srnu bhuddhya yukto yaya Partha.” You can translate it till the cows come home to understand the importance of Sankhya in the Gita. That is the verse I referred, to point out that Sankhya is THE theory that forms the core of the Bhagavadgita even as emphasised by Sri Krishna himself , if that is any consolation in wiping out the cobwebs in your mind Since you claim to be a sanskrit adept you would know that Sankhya means “counting” in its basic form. Correct your impression that it is one of the “schools” etc. Here it is specific and Sankhya has 68 sutras (out of 70) that derive all universal phenomena mathematically through axioms and the foundation of which is based on the concept of the three Gunas in the Kshetra or field of space defined as Aikantha, Athyantha, Atho, Abhavath. Cant make it simpler! Please teach yourself the exotic Sankhya theory for it is the source of all the profound concepts
mentioned the Gita and is in mathematical form to make it precise as precise can be. Perhaps you and precision being far apart you may not appreciate its full import. Why else would you have hidden the most important word in that verse unless you felt you were wrong in your arguments the first place? Why do you torture yourself on intellectual matters when you do not have the wherewithal to sustain facts?
G Srinivasan says
Sonam the string of questions you have put out are logical, valid and I believe comes from a need to know what it as all about. Since you have seen the website and found it complex, I must agree that it is aimed at the small group of readers who would find dry mathematical derivations from Sankhya interesting. Because the Gita itself is the expose of the non mathematical pedagogical part that would interest the average person. It is not my theory but Kapilla’s precise and ascetic logic covers the entire gamut of manifestation process in the universe and is accurate to 50 decimal places that even gods perhaps may not be able to replicate. Its perfection is twice established for it provides an internal proof that confirms its accuracy in 12 ways. This is unheard of in any walk of life more so in Physics. I have transliterated ancient Sanskrit by a new technique that makes Sankhya understandable, verifiable, and dependable for all early translators missed its mathematical content based on axioms.
In case you have a doubt read my article ” comparison.pdf” on my web and you will immediately see the tripe that so called erudite authors have put out.
As an alternate energy researcher the fact of a scientific theory being based on axioms is a treasure trove, for present Physics has no knowledge of an axiom based theory. These findings are an eye opener for me and have dedicated myself to promote Vedic science as the acme of sciences for the rest of my life. I have put those facts on the web for interested people to see and constantly dialogue to promote its invincible logic at every opportunity. See World Affairs Journal article vol6, num.3 2002 that I put out to the nonscientific reader. The Sankhya sutra 37 derives and defines a formulation that ensures free energy can be extracted from the field of space. So does the Rig Veda sloka1. I have tested that logic and am happy to say that I have a free energy prototype motor running in my office as the ULTIMATE PROOF in practical terms of a theory that is humanities greatest gift from Vedic science. I have done this over 40 years on my own time and money . Under these circumstances what would you do.? Allow yourself to get lambasted by every tom, dick and harry spouting unsupported rubbish in the name of Sanatan Dharma? Should not the consequences of this extra-ordinay theory find the light of day at least now- after 10000 years of oblivion? I put the book and a dossier of articles related to it on the web so any reader can access it free..
My website is hit umpteen times a day and I write dozens of letters to deeply interested readers to promote it. The Chakra editor would not even reply to my request to put this exotic theory on their pages. Vedic science cannot be sold except in its old bottle and that is the truth bound by blind belief.
My second part of the book (not on web) is a direct introduction to the ivory tower of Physcs with the motor as proof that even scientists cannot deny. This book will be published shortly. Your question that you have not heard of me is indeed heartening . Truth needs no publicity. If you wade through my website you will find many proof of Vedic insight at work. The fact that a theory as Sankhya exists gives the hope of a life in absolute freedom and utmost dignity in the future. Your query how the masses can be liberated is answered by sutra 37, the gift of free energy from space. We need more dedicated people to understand Vedic science to use its principles in the cause of human upliftment instead of bleating its verses in desultory worship. You are at liberty to dialogue on this subject at as this forum is not meant for that.