F. Max Mueller
By Sameer Thakkar (Guest Contributor)
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Max Muller, one of the earliest Indologists, had happily concurred in a letter to his wife: “It (The Rigveda) is the root of their religion and to show them what the root is, I feel sure, is the only way of uprooting all that has sprung from it during the last three thousand years.” Later he also wrote to the Duke of Argyle, the then acting Secretary of State for India: “The ancient religion of India is doomed. And if Christianity does not take its place, whose fault will it be?”
The Biblical Creation Theory states that the world was created with all its life forms at 9.00 AM, October 23, 4004 BC. These Abrahamic templates, beliefs and worldviews form the basis of all the Christian missionaries who pursue their agendas and malign the scriptures of other religions, especially when it does not fit into their limited constructs. Max Muller it is said was an agent of the British colonial rulers who was funded by them to write, rewrite and distort the history of Asia so as to establish Christian history as superior to that of the Asians and create an inferiority complex among the Indians by proving to them that their history, traditions, culture, philosophy, religion etc. had no value before the history and culture of Europe.
He originally estimated that the Rig Veda was written around 1200 B.C as a later date could have been in conflict with the Christian beliefs. He also formulated the Aryan Invasion Theory to show that the Vedas and the superior Aryan race came to India from Europe. Max Muller and other missionaries like Ralph T.H. Griffith, Maurice Bloomsfield, Wilson etc. also tried to learn sanskrit to comprehend the primary Hindu scriptures but landed up distorting them by the application of the Abrahamic template on the Hindu worldview. Moreover due to this distortion and mistranslation of Vedic scriptures rendered by many indologists in the past, many people including the Hindus today assume that Hinduism consists of blind superstitions, beef eating, horse killing, animal sacrifice, caste system, etc.
Their distortions today are used by all the anti-hindus who do not even possess basic knowledge of sanskrit. Moreover “religion” is a term that in fact originated in the west and was used by the Abrahamic sects to expound their dogmatic worldviews and earn adherents and unquestionable loyalty to their leaders. Those who questioned the Abrahamic religion were therefore often threatened, oppressed and even physically harmed. Hinduism on the other hand has always been, not a religion, but a ‘Dharma-culture’ and Dharma in the Hindu lexicon has been defined as that which ‘sustains’ and ‘upholds’ implying that which ‘maintains the stability and harmony of the universe’. However, with the coming of Christian missionaries to India, the term Dharma was also distorted and reduced to “religion”. One may ask- can science, spirituality, mathematics, medicinal system of knowledge, dharma which is also defined as righteousness, duty and ethics and based on the art of detachment as contained in Vedas and Upanishads, a source of motivation and interest for many modern scientists like Nicholas Tesla, Schroedinger, Einstein etc. be categorized as a religion?
Mr.Boulanger, the editor of Russian edition of The Sacred Books of the East Series, in the context of the commentary/translation of the Vedas by Max Muller, stated:
“What struck me in Max Muller’s translation was a lot of absurdities, obscene passages and a lot of what is not lucid…. As far as I can grab the teaching of the Vedas, it is so sublime that I would look upon it as a crime on my part, if the Russian public becomes acquainted with it through the medium of a confused and distorted translation, thus not deriving for its soul that benefit which this teaching should give to the people”.
The ancient Hindu scriptures- Vedas, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, etc. have been preserved in the language of ‘sanskrit’ which today is recognized as the most advanced and scientific language so much so that even scientists are trying to incorporate it into computers to increase the scope of artificial intelligence and give a boost to the field of robotics. Sanskrit is indeed a highly modular language where words change when they are combined. Importance is hence given to the way the words are pronounced and the way in which it is written. Any little mistake in the ‘halant or visarga’ alone can change the meaning of the sentence. The teachings of the Vedas, Upanishads and Gita has thus been preserved and considered universally applicable because of the scientific integrity and consistency of the sanskrit language. Unlike other literature or the abrahamic religious texts which are updated as the seasons change, the primary Hindu scriptures remain intact delivering the same eternal knowledge which is always nourishing to a scientific and a philosophical mind.
Max Muller however was not able to rise to the objective standards of the Sanskrit language. In his book ‘Vedic Hymns’, he himself declared that “My translation of the Vedas is conjectural”. Mr. B.D Ukhul in his article, “The Clouds Over understsanding of the Vedas” exposes the mistranslations in detail where the Vedic science was reduced to some absurd story and words taken out of context and completely distorted in its meaning. (Article in References)
It is well known that the Vedic language consists of cryptic riddles with metaphorical personifications to present science, spirituality, philosophies etc. But the missionaries and pseudo intellectuals rendered them spirituality-less and unscientific, further instilling elements of “meat eating, animal sacrifice, caste system, regressive beliefs, etc”.
Today, the education system in India instead of rejecting these old Abrahamic, missionary and colonial templates and instead of reviving India’s rich and ancient scientific and spiritual heritage, has on the contrary been manipulated by the Marxist professors and secular theorists (the successors to the colonial and missionary scholars) who under the guise of being sophisticated and elite scholars denigrate the Hindu culture and propagate the theories of Max Muller and other missionaries, even reinforcing the caste divisions and the already refuted Aryan invasion theory.
Effects of Missionary activities :
1 ) Slow death of local languages and ancient languages like Sanskrit.
2 ) Children and teenagers assume that those who cannot speak in English are inferior to those who can.
3 ) English speaking people are even perceived to be intellectually as well as morally better or superior.
4 ) The debunked Aryan Invasion Theory and Dravidian Theory are still being preached and have caused immense divide in the Indian subcontinent.
5 ) Hinduism has been disconnected from the Vedas and self-opinionated people assume it to be a collection of absurd mantras, stories, superstitions and ‘religious’ dogmas.
6 ) Vote Bank politics which divides the country further.
7 ) Divide and Rule: Converted Hindus start hating and abusing Hindus.
8 ) Inferiority complexes instilled and psychological slavery to foreign ideals
9 ) Setting western concepts as the ‘benchmark’ and ignoring the Indian concepts.
In conjunction there seems to be another group of assailants and offenders now who are more well-disguised and in fact have infiltrated the Hindu society as supporters and promoters of Hinduism. They are the ‘Trojan Horse’, the pretentious new-age cults and individuals who parade the intellectual arena as accomplished Vedic scholars, yoga experts, ‘light-workers’, healers, etc. Although there are many authentic new-age scholars, teachers and healers that propound Hinduism and do substantial work, there are also many con-artists and fraudsters that have pervaded the spiritual-business industry only for selfish gain and to promote themselves and their groups and it is often difficult for the unassuming Hindus to differentiate and separate the authentic and sincere teachers from the charlatans.
The Pathological Symptoms of the ‘Max-Muller Syndrome’:
Using their limited knowledge of Vedic scriptures to appoint themselves as experts on Indian philosophy and Hinduism only to make money, gain name and fame.
Pretending to be secular, believing in the ‘equality of all religions’ and preaching “oneness” while belittling Hinduism as a regressive religion and Hindus as fanatics.
Preferring to use the word Vedic or Sanatan Dharma instead of ‘Hindu’ and then going out of their way to divorce and disconnect Vedic literature, yoga, etc. as well as the terms ‘Vedic’ and ‘Sanatan Dharma’ from Hinduism.
These groups/individuals base their theories on Hindu/Vedic literature and concepts, mix it with other templates (sometimes Abrahamic or Eurocentric) and preach a new-world order that is to emerge. They place themselves on a heightened pedestal as special leaders who are on a special mission to help humanity.
Hijacking Hindu literature, creating their own theories and then aggressively promoting themselves while demeaning Hindu gurus, Indic sources of knowledge and disrespecting the Hindu society at large.
Verbal/physical/intellectual dominance over others resulting in either overt or covert fascism
Abuse/Slander/Disrespect of other sects, religions, cultures, gurus etc. who do not believe in their theories or oppose their cult.
Mental manipulation of others, threats or fear induction, to promote their agenda
Mental instability of members of the cult expressed through hyper-egomania, delusions of grandiosity, narcissism and attention-seeking.
Insistence that the cult and their theories/solutions is the “ONLY WAY”
Group-think, suppression of dissent and enforced conformity in thinking.
Feelings of being ‘more special’ and ‘aware’ than people outside the group and feelings of being chosen to fulfill a special, world-altering mission.
The tyrannical belief that their leader is always right (is extra-special), that they know better than others and that all others are always wrong.
The presentation of their worldview as a ‘sacred science’ with unquestionable dogma and infallible ideology.
Inability to tolerate criticism and personal and aggressive attacks on all their critics.
Irrational cloning- you become a clone of the cult leader or other cult members and imitate/parrot all their views.
The presentation of their ideology over experience, observation and logic.
Mystical manipulation or use of exotic words, ideas and views to mislead.
Cult leader is never held accountable for his/her actions.
False promises of greater powers or greater knowledge.
Today, this disease has induced extreme characteristics where one may find people unable to tolerate criticism and personal and aggressive attacks on all their critics. Missionaries can be openly found manipulating children and abusing the Hindu Gods and the Hindus whereas the new-age cults and preachers on the other hand are found speaking highly and intellectually about Hindu wisdom but undercover their only aim is to further themselves and their agendas while eventually denigrating and intellectually destroying Hinduism. They have subtly permeated the Hindu society like a virus and it is often difficult to recognize the malicious brainwashing they perpetuate on others. It is important for the Hindu society as well as others who have been targeted by such groups and individuals to develop more awareness on such cults, pseudo scholars and individuals as it will help in the differentiation between authentic groups and scholars and the frauds and charlatans who only seek self-promotion at the expense of harming the Hindu society and its heritage.
In the past, the educationist named Lord Macaulay wanted to do away with the spiritual heritage of India. He stated, “We must at present do our best to form a class who may be interpreters between us and the millions whom we govern; a class of persons, Indian in blood and colour, but English in taste, in opinions, in morals, and in intellect.”
“I have no knowledge of either Sanskrit or Arabic. But I have done what I could to form a
correct estimate of their value…. I have never found one among them (Sanskrit or arabic scholars) who could deny that a single shelf of a good European library was worth the whole native literature of India and Arabia.”
Lord Macaulay wanted Christianity to replace Hinduism. In a letter to his father, a Protestant minister, Macaulay declared: “Our English schools are flourishing wonderfully. The effect of this education on the Hindus is prodigious. …It is my belief that if our plans of education are followed up, there will not be a single idolator among the respectable classes in Bengal thirty years hence”.
Macaulay’s children and Max Muller’s successors now seem to be carrying forward this cancerous legacy with phenomenal zeal.
References :
Müller, Georgina, The Life and Letters of Right Honorable Friedrich Max Müller, 2 vols. London: Longman, 1902.
“The couds over Understanding of the Vedas” by B.D.Ukhul
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1298391991
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=NEWS&id=1060177345
Max Muller, Physical Religion, 1891
Lord Macaulay’s Minute: http://www.vvv03.org/Minutes.pdf
http://voiceofdharma.org/indology/MacaulayistHistorians.htm
http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/indology.htm
G Srinivasan, Some of the things you are saying are very interesting and if they weren’t so complex even though the subject is you would be able to get to a wider audience.And leaving the arrogance aside as well would also help.You need to get your discoveries and theories to someone from the media
@Srinivasan
I was wondering what grand theory you must be hallucinating and here’s your reply : “Sankhya has 68 sutras (out of 70) that derive all universal phenomena mathematically through axioms and the foundation of which is based on the concept of the three Gunas in the Kshetra or field of space defined as Aikantha, Athyantha, Atho, Abhavath.”
Ever heard of mathematical fallacy? Many formulae and theories breakup when ‘infinity’ comes into the picture. What formulae do you have for occurrence of prime numbers, random events or for P and NP?
I think you still haven’t understood that the three gunas constitute the behaviour of the humans which needs to be controlled through detachment.
Beyond physics and in the realm of metaphysics, mathematics ceases to work. How a human thinks, what intelligence itself is, how thoughts occur in a peaceful mind are somethings that go far beyond the scope of ‘counting’ and numbers or ‘modern material science’. The mystery of Life or the start of the universe, micro and the macro, itself remains a set of debunked modern science theories.
Yes, basically sankhya means ‘counting’. But in the verse 2.39 it means a kind of analytical study. The next question would be ‘analytical study’ of what? This is explained in the entire chapter 2 of the Gita where apart from the three gunas, he also explains the nature of the ‘atman’, ‘attachment and detachment’ both to ‘material desires and knowledge’. Hence it is the study of the nature of the soul and how one needs to raise one’s individual consciousness to the ultimate consciousness rising above the three modes/gunas.
The various schools of thoughts are based on the shrutis (Vedas, Upanishads and the Gita) and not vice versa. Nowhere Krishna is deriving universal phenomena ‘mathematically’. Just like Dharma can have different meanings depending upon usage like righteousness, duty, ethics etc, the meaning of ‘sankhya’ used on the sanskrit verse is different.
Had you done your research even more seriously enough, you’d have realized that Yoga is sometimes called sankhya-yoga by many people, as it contains ‘practical methods’ to realize in direct experience the truths of sankhya philosophy.
You may read brief about sankhya philosophy: swamijDOTcom/six-schools-indian-philosophy.htm
It again exposes how to satisfy your grand motives, you have taken Gita out of context, dissected into little pieces without understanding the teachings completely. This is exactly what the verse 2.42 exposes that ‘men of little understanding are attached to the flowery words of the Vedas’. As a result, they end up dissecting the Vedas as per their convenience, some attached to agni, some to indra, some to vishnu etc without understanding the ultimate reality and the unity of the existence as a whole.
So it seems it is your obsession with numbers that is blinding you from comprehending the Gita properly and making you write juvenile statements like
– Bhramins were weaker physcially, kshatriyas weaker in terms of knowledge
– Reduction of the three gunas to some ‘genetic character’
Perhaps you’d like to read about ‘Vaisheshika’ philosophy too, the concept of ‘anu’, prakriti and purusha (part of sankhya).
Whatever your grand theories are on counting and numbers, you can surely write it on your blog or may be some article. But I had a good laugh on your latest reply indeed!
May be you should read ‘the Tao of Physics’ to redo your research! 🙂
There is no such thing as mathematical fallacy, merely inadequate reasoning, defined as inadequate data processed by an inadequate processor”. This is amply demonstrated in your assertion using prime numbers as an example. Just thought that I’d mention that the mathematics of the Atharva Veda do contain formulae for computing these and in 2002 a group of Indian lads at Kanpur IIT published a globally lauded paper elucidating the formula for computing primes, as was reported http://www.hindu.com/fline/fl1917/19171290.htm. It would appear from the above that neither your research nor your reasoning are adequate. QED? “Quad erat demonstrandum” Google the meaning since I am confident that this is a new phrase for you. What joy can be had when humans interact!!! Thank you Girdhar ji for bringing even more laughter into my day.
@Satish :
The only problem with blindly copying and pasting is that one doesn’t understand the context of either of the parties i.e argument and the link for that argument. Further, it seems you don’t understand anything about ‘polynomial time’ and compter algorithms. The link you posted is nothing new for me and it states about an ‘algorithm’ and the computational time related to it to check for a prime number. Making you understand the most commonly used algorithm would take a full page and I have a self-made C++ program as well to identify a prime number.
The link you pasted says, “Scientists at the Computer Science and Engineering (CSE) department of the Indian Institute of Technology, Kanpur (IIT-K), have solved an outstanding problem of number theory and computer science – to obtain a deterministic and unconditional algorithm in which the number of steps – equivalently the running time of the programme – grows at best as a power of the input size; that is, as a “polynomial” in the input size.”
Obviously, if you are not a student of computer science, then it would sound all greek to you.
But, what I am talking is about a sequence like ‘arithematic or geometeric progression’ to identify prime numbers. And such a sequence or a formula is non-existent for random numbers too.
Divisiblity by zero is the basic mathematical fallacy! 10/0 is infinity and 100/0 is infinity. Does this mean 10=100?
enDOTwikipediaDOTorg/wiki/Mathematical_fallacy
@Satish: BTW, you can remove that silly looking smirk off of your face just because you posted a link for my argument thinking it refutes my argument. The link you posted is actually disconnected, related to computers and posting that link you have shown your degraded level of intellect which cannot even understand the context of one’s argument or the context of the link you are posting.
Next time, try to post a link of the subject or field you have knowledge of. 🙂
Jason the onus of recognition of facts falls on the individual. No one can force another to accept or reject a statement. It is well known Vedic dictum that intellectual democracy works only among intellectual equals. Hence in a forum of where a subject of import is discussed the first assumption one makes all are intellectual peers. But the tone changes when devious arguments are extended instead of accepting or rejecting a proposition on logical merits. I was driven to butt in because I saw drivel being spouted under the guise of erudition especially in an area where the acts of omission and commission hurt sentiments, sensitivities and even freedom of expression. Hence one is compelled to give as one gets because its the strategy of tyrannical minds to cow another down by facetious logic and arguments. I am not a publicity seeker by nature but deeply convinced truth will always out. So I just present it in the way the receiver reacts. Your appreciation of the points I have made must be so for they are not my creations but facts of nature. A great thinker put it to help us help ourselves by understanding the hidden aspects that nature has in its bag of works. Take a simple case. Ten people clap once one after another. You count ten claps. Then all ten clap once again simultaneously but you count one. Just this difference of a sequential action against simultaneous one has created the entire conundrum in physics. Mh Kapilla by recognising this simple natural ambiguity created the entire Sankhya theory based on axiomatic numerics. Physics counts all interactive event but they have no means to count simultaneous events just as we cant differentiate how many clapped simultaneously just by listening. The simultaneous claps would sound different – denser. Kapilla declared that aspect as the mass factor that physics has difficulty in dealing with. E = MC^2 is bandied about now but Kapilla had made that point eons ago where the C^2 factor was mass factor. But even today C^2 is not seen as the simultaneos activity that contributes mass. Hence my admiration for Sankhya which fortunately is the heart of the Gita. You will find Kapilla intellectual greatness if you wade thruogh my website dedicated to Sankhyan excellence.
@Srinivasan :
Gita consists of many teachings —
Chapter 1 : Visada Yoga
Chapter 2 : Sankhya Yoga
Chapter 3 : Karma Yoga
Chapter 4 : Jnana Yoga
Chapter 5 : Karma Vairagya Yoga
Chapter 6 : Abhyasa Yoga
Chapter 7 : Paramahamsa Vijnana Yoga
Chapter 8 : Aksara-Parabrahman Yoga
Chapter 9 : Raja-Vidya-Guhya Yoga
Chapter 10 : Vibhuti-Vistara-Yoga
Chapter 11 : Visvarupa-Darsana Yoga
Chapter 12 : Bhakti Yoga
Chapter 13 : Ksetra-Ksetrajna Vibhaga Yoga
Chapter 14 : Gunatraya-Vibhaga Yoga
Chapter 15 : Purusottama Yoga
Chapter 16 : Daivasura-Sampad-Vibhaga Yoga
Chapter 17 : Sraddhatraya-Vibhaga Yoga
Chapter 18 : Moksa-Opadesa Yoga
It talks about the Sankhya as well as dharma. It is also based on logic as to why Arjun shouldn’t feel guilty or demoralised which can be seen as a reflection of ‘nyaya school of philosophy’ and then there are chapters like karma yoga and jnana yoga.
Therefore, Sankhya is not the only philosophy that you are categorising or reducing the divine Bhagvad-geet into. What I am requesting you is too study and comprehend the shrutis without any such categorizations as they may make mental filters in your mind based on assumptions related to the field or category you chose, before you even start reading.
I don’t understand what you are fighting for as we both are on the same side it seems. I’m only requesting you to broader and enhance your field of study and observation ‘without any such categorizations’.
Chemistry and biology are complimentary in most of the cases. You cannot say human body is either physical or chemical. Modern science ignores the spiritual aspects, FYI. I know about sankhya and hence I never debated on any of the schools of thoughts from the start or Kapila. I could have provided you the instances from Aurobindo’s works as well. But in my opinion, one should comprehend the shrutis/scriptures from his own primary mindset without reading the secondary works i.e commentaries of other people be it Kapila or Aurobindo. Such secondary works are helpful when you yourself are stuck or are not able to understand something.
I already know of the advancement of science and mathematics in Hinduism. But it wouldn’t be wise to narrow it down to one field of study and say things like ‘Hinduism is all mathematics or all science’. Please read chapter 10 alone. It doesn’t talk of any one field or science alone!
Bhagvad Geet is a marvellous example of the unity of all existence and holistic knowledge in a form of a brief conversation.
If you still want to narrow the Bhagvad-Geet to Sankhya only, then it would be your opinion. I’d still request you not to categorize the shrutis to any one particular school of thought and comprehend them without any filters or categorizations.
I have respect for you only because of your age. But things like ‘qualifications or researches done’ for personal description is of no value to me.
Even Bill gates was a failure and so was Albert Einstein though I’m not implying that I’m an academic failure as well. 😀
Their achievments shadow their qualifications and then we have economic cats like Manmohan singh, pranab mukherjee etc where inflation is rocketing high, petrol prices on the loose etc.
Lets shake hands! 🙂
Girdhar where have you learnt this simian act of jumping from the sublime to the ludicrous? You don’t seem to realise you are hanging yourself by your own petard. Mathematics is the most elementary logic that all living things apply all the time. Even a dog can recognise it has 5 pups and go looking for the missing one if only 4 return. Now lets keep our feet on the ground and continue with Sankhya that we are debating because you have conceded that it is a real subject which is good enough to continue this parody. The answer is simple. Read Sankhya and see how Kapilla handles the numerics there. Why are you obfuscating the entire issue by leaping to primes and then infinity and so on that has no relevance to the discussion at hand. I have not created Sankhya but only appreciating its extraordinary merits. Break it down by all means if you can but by dissecting Sankhyan logic and educating us with your excruciating simian logic. Satish too seems astounded by your outlandish statement on mathematics for he is a mathematical adept.
The most elemental fact on numerical values is that limits are absolutes and cannot be dealt with in the real world for these values do not exist as detectable parameter.Can you please send zero rupees so that I can recognise what it is? Zero in Vedic parlance has only a placement value but moronically using it as a real number would indeed lead one to the Fallacious mathematics that you have discovered. Lets not waste each others time by your crass logic, even though it is entertaining to discover the depth of idiocy, but instead if you can perhaps turn your grasshopper mind onto sublime Sankhya sutras you may yet find a trick or two that may even surprise Mh Kapilla!!!
@Srinivasan :
The first word people usually say when they are born is “ma”. But it seems you ended up saying ‘Sankhya’. I’d request you to stop ranting or you might catch a heart attack at this fragile age when the wisdom is having contrary effects on you.
First learn the importance of zero before ranting some more. It not only helps expand the study the mathematics, but it remains a part of the sankhya as well. So you ended up putting your baseless foot in your rantful mouth yet again.
The ultimate form of this universe remains formless, unmanifested, nameless and directionless. By which “real number” would you identify that ‘unborn and unmanifested’ reality?
Even in the dreamless state of meditation, there is no thought. It is a state of nothingness or analogous to 0. From that state a single thought manifests and may transform into a dream with infinite directions or ‘ripples’. But mathematics cannot acknowledge the direction, ‘vector quanitites’. It cannot itself tell what started the universe or which direction it will go to. Thus, mathematics ‘alone’ is useless in most of the cases and hence science is divided into various parts. Mathematics only helps or acts as a tool to magnify our thoughts and in the study of other fields as well. But our thoughts (conscious, subconscious and unconscious), intuition and intelligence cannot be counted! Can this infinite, eternal universe be counted in terms of measurement and size? What we see is defined as “observable universe” and then we have the theory of parallel universes and to make the matters worse we have “quantum theory” which is shaking the whole of modern science. (Again read Tao of physics for the basics)
Yes dogs can see pups and I’m seeing one obsessed with sankhya. It seems you don’t even understand the mathematical fallacies and importance of zero and you think you are eligible to talk about sankhya? To test the “limits and absolutes” alone that you talked of, the conception of zero and infinite are necessary.
Its rather funny that you are bringing @Satish’s name as a basis of your puny argument like “Satish too seems astounded by your outlandish statement on mathematics for he is a mathematical adept”. If thats your infantile cry, then realize that most people have talked against you in this discussion. Your logic as well as the statistical data regarding the number of supporters seems so ‘abrahamic’ and laughable. I guess you too also do not know anything about computers, algorithms, computational time, number of steps and what “polynomial order” means in such cases.
You stand exposed with your ignorance of Gita, mathematics and now computers and making juvenile statements like
– Bhramins were weaker physcially, kshatriyas weaker in terms of knowledge
– Reduction of the three gunas to some ‘genetic character’
– Undermining the importance of zero
– Obession with Sankhya
– Illiteracy of computer algorithms
Emotional and childish rants is the only thing, it seems, that you perfected in your 40 years of research. God bless! 🙂
Dear Girdharji,
If amassing the wealth of knowledge that you claim to have leads one to be abusive, aggressive and ill mannered, I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, myself included, but your tone and lack of reason is at odds with the words of a man of wisdom.. You write “If thats your infantile cry, then realize that most people have talked against you in this discussion” since when have “most people” ever been a valid justification for any Truth? As Marcus Aurelius said “The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject.” All persons elucidating Reason and Truth have had to battle against “most people” ranging from Galileo through to Einstein…… and so your siding with “most people” should give you a hint about your position….
Another curious thought occurs to me about the “most people” on this blog….. here I’ve been judged by Sameerji for inadequacy in the manner in which I have brought up my sons even though they are Yoga Shiromani’s as well as continuing a family tradition of Oxford or Cambridge by virtue of their efforts, by Sonaliji for being inadequate in terms of Intellectual prowess despite being deemed to have been worthy of the blessings of Sannyasi’s of significant status in receiving initiations into wonderful traditions of Yoga and Vidya, now by Girdhar ji of inadequacy in terms of both Mathematics and Computing despite being a scholar of Vedic Mathematics and having established and developed for 16 years a Global IT consulting firm with offices from Houston to Tel Aviv, London and Singapore……. Clearly on this forum I am in the presence of greatness in the persons of these three and I bow my head in humility, hoping one day to emulate their attainments and statuses. I look forward to the time when your raging passions will have been tempered with a few more grey hairs, when that time comes, you will be good company and hopefully you will still have access to the adolescent words which you have so generously sprayed across this post. Still laughing at the Lila …..
Satish are we here so people like yourself can flaunt your CVs of who has done what or who has gone to Cambridge or oxford to get your point across.This is a typical hindu trait where they try to show off more about their status then very subject themselves..Its like all those retired OAPs running the temples and organisations in the UK flaunting their OBEs even though they haven’t done zilch for the hindu community love talking big that how they were invited to the house of lords or commons to some divali function reflecting the british raj syndrome .
@Satish :
Marcus Aurellius said, “The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject”. Perfectly stated and that is exactly what I was trying to tell @Srinivasan as he brought your ignorance into the matter telling “Hey, Look even Satish is against you”. I guess you ignored his little speech. Looks like we have two comrades in darkness trying to find flaw in the light!
Anyways you and @Srinivasan seems to have onething in common. Both of you yelp your personal achievements, qualification, years of studies and work experience when you are out of any intellectual view points and even the typical rants.
None of the other debators like Arjun, Jason, Sonam etc have revealed their experience or qualification. It is usually done by the egotists who want others to blindly agree to their cooked up stories, ignorance, motives and grand theories. It undermines the spirit of an intellectual discussion where the only thing that matters is “knowledge” and reasoning.
BTW, it looks funny when uncivilized illiterates give lectures on the ethics of a civilized discussion. If you have anything intellectual to contribute then reply, otherwise stop yelping with the typical emotional teenaged rants defining yourself, your background and more of your juvenile rigmaroles.
You shouldn’t have really revealed your CV on the top of your blind copy-paste of the link, of which, you yourself didn’t know the context of. It makes sense now as to why you rant and only rant! I can only pray for the employees of your consultancy firm, a group of intellectuals governed by an ignorant prick! 🙁
So please rant in your ‘firm’ and spare the intellectual boards! 🙂
There you go again Arjunji, doing what too many on this site seem to do ….. leaping to conclusions…… firstly my response was precisely that, a RESPONSE, to a number of unreasonable personal criticisms which in themselves were based upon un-informed knee jerk judgements, precisely of the type which you have also just done…. my attendances at Parliament have NEVER been to celebrate functions but to protest and challenge government policy specifically in the area of our Vidya, and yet you have assumed otherwise. If you had troubled to read my earlier post you would have noted that visiting Parliament, that monument to oppression, was not and never can be a celebration for me and yet again you mistakenly assume it to have been an achievement which I was “showing off”… Poor reasoning.
Further what on earth makes you think that those who choose not to exert effort to personally and collectively develop and evolve have any right to cast aspersions on those who do? Why do you resent that in this day and age there are Hindu’s who have seen that in order for the status quo of the West to be challenged effectively Hindu’s need to have Vivekanandaji’s heart but also Gandhiji’s eloquence, Aurobindoji’s fixaty of purpose and clarity of vision and Radhakrishnanji’s scholarship? And when such individuals set about becoming worthy of shouldering the Vidya of the Vedas, as well as being able to stand and be accepted on an Occidental academic or political stage, there are always pseudo Hindu armchair critics ready to bolster their own inadequacies by denigrating those who are out there working their hardest. Gandhiji, Aurobindoji and Radhakrishnanji praised and appreciated their time at Oxford and the perspectives and disciplines they acquired there and I know and am proud of many Hindu Oxford students from all over the world who have worked hard to achieve their places SPECIFICALLY to better serve our Dharma. Are we here so that anyone who submits a different opinion to that which is voiced by the majority, thereby adding to the flavour and diversity of the engagement, can be personally ridiculed ad infinitum, even when responding in defence? As a member of a culture whose very purpose of existence has always been to guide and nourish the Earthwide development of Vidya from Avidya, of Sattva from Tamas, of Paramatma from Jivatma, please demonstrate just a little patience and friendship…. like your namesake you will find it an investment which pays handsomely! Lila…..
Thank you Girdharji.
Gandhi’s eloquence? Do you even know Gandhi was apathetic towards Hindus? Do you even know why he was killed by nathuram godse? You must be feeling proud by exposing your ignorance again and again.
Mahatma Gandhi – :
1) Gandhi’s Apathy towards Hindus
2) Gandhi’s support for moplah rebels
3) Gandhi turning a blind eye to Moplah rebels repeatedly
4) Gandhi : Every Hindu a Coward
5) The Anti-Black Gandhi
In, India Mahatma gandhi is known as the father of the nation. He is often revered as the hero of India who saved India from british rule. But do we really know all of the history?
(1) Gandhi’s apathy towards Hindus –
It is a well known fact of history that although personally Mahatma Gandhi was a devout Hindu, yet he turned more and more anti-Hindu after 1920 as his public life progressed. The driving passion of his political life was to throw the British out of India. In order to achieve this objective, he was obsessed in his conviction that Hindu – Muslim unity was absolutely necessary and indispensable. There can be two views or more on whether he was right or justified in holding these convictions. However, the irrefutable fact is that again and again he demonstrated his combat readiness to sacrifice or sell out vital Hindu interests, Hindu honor and Hindu blood all the time in deference to the feelings of minorities in general and Muslims in particular. To quote the appropriate words of Prafull Goradia in this context: ‘For Mahatma Gandhi, no price was too great for appeasing Muslims, so that they did not oppose Hindus. That he did not understand the Muslims was proved by the conduct of the Muslim League and by the vivisection of the country.’
After the Mutiny of 1857, the incidence of Hindu-Muslim riots in India had come down sharply. By lending support to the Khilafat Movement of Ali Brothers in 1920, Mahatma Gandhi inaugurated a new era of a fresh wave of Hindu-Muslim riots. Mahatma Gandhi was a confused man. How could his Satyagraha which was to be effective for attaining our Swaraj could be equally effective for saving the Caliph on his Turkish throne. Gandhi did not understand that restoration of the Caliph would only result in making him again a shining symbol of Pan-Islamism or the Supra-nationalism of Islam as a world religion with its people forming the Ummah. This inherent impending danger was clearly foreseen by Sir Sankaran Nair, a Member of the Viceroy’s Executive Council in 1922.
In his book prophetically titled as ‘Gandhi and Anarchy’ published by Tagore and Company, Madras in 1922 he wrote: ‘It is impossible to believe that Gandhi and his adherents are not aware that this claim of the Mohammedans to be judged only by the Law of the Koran, is a claim which is the fons et origo of all Khilafat claims of whatever kind. It is well to be clear about this, for not only does the acceptance of the claim mean the death knell of the British Empire or Indo-British Commonwealth, whatever name we may care to give to the great fraternity of nations to which we belong, but specifically as regards India it means a real denial of Swaraj. for it involves Mohammedan rule and Hindu subjection.”
Thus Sir Sankaran Nair clearly saw the danger signal when Mahatma Gandhi was leading the Muslims of India to convert the Hindus into permanent Serfs. Dr Manmohan Singh’s recent declaration on Muslim hegemony is only a logical culmination of the process initiated by Mahatma Gandhi and clearly foreseen by Sir Sankaran Nair in 1922.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said plans for minorities, particularly Muslims, must have the ‘first claim’ on resources so that benefits of development reach them equitably.
“We will have to devise innovative plans to ensure that minorities, particularly the Muslim minority, are empowered to share equitably the fruits of development. These must have the first claim on resources,” he said in his address at the 52nd meeting of the National Development Council (NDC) in New Delhi.
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(2) Gandhi’s Support for Moplah rebels
During the Moplah rebellion in Kerala in 1921, thousands of Hindu men, women and children were killed by the Muslims. Hundreds of women were raped. And yet Gandhi supported the Moplahs and not the Hindu victims of Moplah violence and oppression. In fact Gandhi had no sympathy for the Hindus. Mahatma Gandhi wrote in his ‘Young India’, ‘it is wrong to say that Islam has employed force. No religion in this world has spread through the use of force. No Musalman, to my knowledge, has ever approved of compulsion.’ Does this not show that Gandhi practiced political deception?
According to Gandhi, the Moplah Muslims were guilty of no crime. But the politically spurious and culturally disastrous view of Mahatma Gandhi on the Moplah rebellion was not shared by Lord Reading, the then Viceroy of India and Sir Sankaran Nair, a member of his Council. Sir Sankaran Nair wrote: ‘For sheer brutality on women, I do not remember anything in history to match the Malabar rebellion. It broke out on 20 August, 1921. Even by the 6 September, the results were dreadful. There was complete breakdown of Civil Government resulting in widespread disorder, in political chaos, in anarchy and in ruin.’
Let us contrast this with Mahatma Gandhi’s conclusion: ‘The Moplahs are among the bravest in the land. They are god-fearing.’
How did Gandhi overlook the brutal fact that Moplah Muslims were men-slaughtering, children-strangling and women-raping? I am asking this question in the light of the speech of Lord Reading, viceroy of India, on 20th of August 1921: ‘A few Europeans and many Hindus have been murdered, communications have been obstructed. Hindu temples sacked, houses of Europeans and Hindus burnt. According to reports Hindus were forcibly converted to Islam… The result has been the temporary collapse of the Civil Government and offices and courts have ceased to function and ordinary business has been brought to a standstill. European and Hindu refugees of all classes are concentrated at Calicut and it is satisfactory to note that they are safe there. One trembles to think of the consequences if the forces of order had not prevailed for the protection of Calicut. Those who are responsible for causing this grave outbreak of violence and crime must be brought to justice and made to suffer the punishment of the guilty.’
Annie Besant wrote a series of articles in her journal ‘New India’ on 29 November and 6 December 1921 under the caption Malabar’s Agony. She challenged the stand taken by Mahatma Gandhi on the peaceful and humanitarian overtures of the Moplah Muslims towards non-Muslims in Malabar. The shock of the Moplah riots was so widespread that a Committee of Distinguished Citizens was appointed to tour the affected areas. The Committee consisted of K P Keshava Menon, Secretary Kerala Provincial Committee, T V Mohammed, Secretary, Ernad Khilafat Committee, K Madhavan Nair, Secretary, Calicut District Congress Committee and K V Gopal Menon. In their fact-finding report they concluded: ‘Truth is infinitely of more paramount importance than Hindu Muslim unity or Swaraj and therefore we tell the Maulana Sahib and his co-religionists and India’s revered leader Mahatma Gandhi – if he too is unaware of the events here – that atrocities committed by the Moplahs on the Hindus are unfortunately too true and that there is nothing in the deeds of Moplah rebels which a true non-violent, non-co-operator can congratulate them for.. Their wanton and unprovoked attack on the Hindus, the all but wholesale looting of their houses.. Brutal murder of inoffensive Hindus, men, women and children in cold blood without the slightest reason except that they are Kafirs… Their wholesale conversion through threat of death.’
Mahatma Gandhi treated the report of the above Committee with Islamic contempt. Mahatma Gandhi and the Working Committee of the Congress shamelessly whitewashed the criminal atrocities committed by the Moplah Muslims against the Hindus of Malabar by passing the following resolution:
‘The Working Committee places on record its sense of deep regret over the deeds of violence done by Moplahs in certain areas of Malabar, these deeds being evidence of the fact that there are still people in India who have not understood the message of the Congress and the Central Khilafat Committee, and calls upon every Congress and Khilafat worker to spread the message of non-violence even under the gravest provocation throughout the length and breadth of India.’
This was political rascality of the meanest kind. Gandhi’s callousness rose to Himalayan heights when he wrote the following in ‘Young India’ on 29 September : ‘We have forgotten the divine out of dying for our faiths without retaliation… Be the Moplahs be ever so bad, they deserve to be treated as human beings.’
(3) Dr. B.R Ambedkar on Gandhi
Dr B R Ambedkar paid his tribute to the Muslim Appeasement Bible of Moulana Mahatma Gandhi in these brilliant words: ‘Gandhi has never called the Muslims to account even when they have been guilty of gross crimes against Hindus. It is a notorious fact that many prominent Hindus who had offended the religious susceptibilities of the Muslims either by their writings or by their part in the Shudhi Movement have been murdered by some fanatic Musalmans. The leading Muslims never condemned these criminals. On the contrary, they were hailed as religious martyrs…. This attitude of the Muslims is understandable. What is not understandable is the attitude of Mr. Gandhi.’
Dr Ambedkar was not talking through his hat about the anti-Hindu and pro-Muslim attitude of Mahatma Gandhi. When thousands of women were raped and many of them killed by the Moplah Muslims during the Moplah rebellion in 1921, the brutalized women of Malabar led by the senior Rani of Nilambur gave a heart-rending petition to Lady Reading, the wife of the then Viceroy of India. The first two paragraphs from this historic petition are quoted below:
‘We, the Hindu women of Malabar of varying ranks and stations in life who have recently been overwhelmed by the tremendous catastrophe known as the Moplah rebellion, take the liberty to supplicate your Ladyship for sympathy and succour.’
‘Your Ladyship is doubtless aware that though our unhappy district has witnessed many Moplah outbreaks in the course of the last 100 years, the present rebellion is unexampled in its magnitude as well as unprecedented in its ferocity. But it is possible that your Ladyship is not fully appraised of all the horrors and atrocities perpetrated by the fiendish rebels -of the many wells and tanks filled up with the mutilated, but often only half dead bodies of our nearest and dearest ones who refused to abandon the faith of our fathers; of pregnant women cut to pieces and left on the roadsides and in the jungles, with the unborn babies protruding from the mangled corpses; of our innocent and helpless children torn from our arms and done to death before our eyes and of our husbands and fathers tortured, flayed and burnt alive; of our helpless sisters forcibly carried away from the midst of kith and kin and subjected to every shame and outrage which the vile and brutal imagination of these inhuman hellhounds could conceive of; of thousands of our homesteads reduced to circular mounds out of sheer savagery in a wanton spirit of destruction; of our places of worship desecrated and destroyed and of the images of the deity shamefully insulted by putting the entrails of slaughtered cows where flower garlands used to lie, or else smashed to pieces; of the wholesale looting of hard earned wealth of generations reducing many who were formerly rich and prosperous to publicly beg for a pie or two in the streets of Calicut, to buy salt or betal leaf -rice being mercifully provided by the various relief agencies of Government. These are not fables. The wells full of rotting skeletons, the ruins which once were our dear homes, the heaps of stones which once were our places of worship – these are still here to attest to the truth. The cries of our murdered children in their death agonies are still ringing in our ears and will continue to haunt our memory till our own death brings us peace.’
(4) Gandhi turning a blind eye to Moplah rebels repeatedly
The atrocities committed by the Moplah rebels were widely reported in the English and vernacular newspapers of the day throughout India and the British Empire. Mahatma Gandhi was fully aware of every development in Malabar during this time. But his overweening egoism blinded his eyes to such an extent that he was unable to see the realities on the ground. A Peoples’ Conference presided over by the Zamorin, Maharaja of Malabar, was held in 1921. The following resolution was passed at this Conference:
‘This Conference views with indignation and sorrow the attempts made in various quarters by interested parties to ignore or minimize the crimes committed by the Moplah rebels such as:
Brutality dishonoring women
Flaying people alive
Wholesale slaughter of men, women and children
Burning alive entire families
Forcibly converting people in thousands and slaying those who refused to get converted
Throwing half dead people into wells and leaving the victims for hours to struggle for escape till finally released from their suffering by death
Burning a great many and looting practically all Hindu and Christian houses in the disturbed areas in which even Moplah women and children took part and robbing women of even the garments on their bodies, in short, reducing the whole non-Muslim population to abject destitution.
Cruelly insulting the religious sentiments of the Hindus by desecrating and destroying numerous temples in the disturbed areas, killing cows within the temple precincts, putting their entrails on the holy image and hanging the skulls on the walls and roofs.
Annie Besant was a fearless and impartial woman quite unlike Mahatma Gandhi. Mahatma Gandhi was a double-talking, multiple-tongued Moulana -layer upon layer of orchestrated fraud, dissemblance and deceit. Annie Besant had been elected President of the Indian National Congress in 1913 – two years before the final return of Mahatma Gandhi to India from South Africa. She was one of the tallest leaders of India at that time and loved by the masses of India. She created a new public awakening about the intentions of the Moplah marauders. Annie Besant visited the affected areas of Malabar soon after the Moplah rebellion in 1921 and wrote a series of powerful articles about the carnage let loose by the Moplah Muslims which opened the eyes of the government of India and that of Britain. I am quoting below a few words from Annie Besant’s article titled Malabar’s Agony in New India of 29 November, 1921:
‘It would be well if Mr. M K Gandhi could be taken into Malabar to see with his own eyes the ghastly horrors which have been created by the preaching of himself and his ‘loved brothers’ Muhommad and Shaukat Ali. The Khilafat Raj is established there; on 1 August, 1921, sharp to the date first announced by Gandhi for the beginning of Swaraj and the vanishing of British Rule, a Police Inspector was surrounded by Moplahs, revolting against that Rule. From that date onwards thousands of the forbidden war knives were secretly made and hidden away and on 20 August, the rebellion broke out. Khilafat flags were hoisted on Police Stations and Government Offices. …. Eyes full of appeal, and agonized despair, of hopeless entreaty of helpless anguish, thousands of them camp after camp which I visited. Mr. Gandhi says ‘Shameful Inhumanity’. Shameful inhumanity indeed, wrought by the Moplahs, and these are the victims saved from extermination by British and Indian Swords. For be it remembered the Moplahs began the whole horrible business; the Government intervened to save their victims and these thousands have been saved. Mr. Gandhi would have hostilities suspended so that the Moplahs may swoop down on the refugee camps and finish their work! – Mahatma Gandhi was least concerned about the Hindu victims of Moplah violence in Malabar at that time.
Annie Besant exposed the atrocities committed by the Moplah rebels in Malabar as a fearless journalist. Let us hear her describe an act and scene of rape in Malabar:
‘Words fail to express my feelings of indignation and abhorrence which I experienced when I came to know of an instance of rape, committed by the rebels under Chembrasseri Thangal. A respectable Nair lady at Melathur was stripped naked by the rebels in the presence of her husband and brothers who were made to stand close by with their hands tied behind. When they shut their eyes in abhorrence, they were compelled at the point of a sword to open their eyes and witness the rape committed by the brute in their presence. I loathe even to write of such a mean action. This instance of rape was communicated to me by one of her brothers confidentially. There are several instances of such mean atrocities which are not revealed by people….’
Gandhi : Every Hindu a Coward
Mahatma Gandhi at that time gave a great finding to the effect that every Muslim is a bully and every Hindu a coward. On the one hand he called every Hindu a coward and on the other hand he exhorted all the Hindus to remain calm and non-violent even when they went all out to defend themselves against the attacking Moplah Muslims. The truth is Mahatma Gandhi displayed all his courage only to suppress the Hindus. In so far as the Muslims were concerned, he was a typical Hindu coward. He was mortally scared of them. So was Jawaharlal Nehru. Therefore Gandhi had no moral sanction to talk about the cowardice of the Hindus. And here is the callous, sadistic and barbarous message he gave to the Hindu victims of Moplah rebellion in Young India of 29 September, 1921: ‘The ending of the Moplah revolt is a matter not only of urgency, but of simple humanity. The Hindus must have the courage and the faith to feel that they can protect their religion in spite of such fanatical eruptions. … Be the Moplahs be ever so bad, they deserve to be treated as human beings.’ By saying all this, Mahatma Gandhi broke the track record of Babar, Nadir Shah and Aurangzeb in the never ending vistas of Islamic compassion and Hindu fundamentalism.
The historical basis for Dr. Manmohan Singh’s new fangled infatuation for Muslims with infinite dimensions embracing the whole universe dates back to the days of Khilafat Movement in 1921. The Ali Brothers – Mohammed Ali and Shaukat Ali – who were digging the ground under the feet of Mahatma Gandhi all the time affirmed their loyalty to the doctrine of Pan-Islamism. Mohammed Ali sent a letter to Amanulla, the Amir of Afghanistan, inviting him to invade India. The British government got scent of this and arrested the Ali Brothers. When Mohammed Ali was produced before the Jury in the sessions court, he confirmed his complicity in the act of treason: ‘The clear law of Islam requires that no Mussalman should render any assistance to the British government against the Amir of Afghanistan and if the Jehad approaches his region, every Mussalman must join the Mujahidin and assist them to the best of his or her power.’
Mohammed Ali later gave a written assurance of good conduct confirming that he was no opponent of the British government and thereafter he was released. It is on public record that, again in 1921, when the Khilafat agitation was at its peak, Mohammed Ali sent a wire to Amanulla, Amir of Afghanistan urging him not to enter into any kind of peaceful agreement with Britain. At one of the Congress meetings when Swami Shradhananda criticized Mohammed Ali for his act of sending a telegram to the Amir of Afghanistan, Mohammed Ali took him aside and gave him the handwritten draft of a wire. Swami Shradhananda recorded in his book: ‘What was my astonishment when I saw the draft of the self-same telegram in the peculiar handwriting of the Father of the Non-violent, Non-cooperation Movement.’ To this charge, however, Gandhi replied that he did not remember to have done so.
In May 1921, there were again public rumors that the Ali Brothers would be arrested by the British government for conspiring with the Amir of Afghanistan to invade India. Mahatma Gandhi’s conscience was quickened by this public rumor and he poured out his compassionate Muslim-loving heart to the even more compassionate Hindu-loving Ali Brothers. At a public meeting in Allahabad on 10 May, 1921, with tears in his eyes, Mahatma Gandhi said: ‘I cannot understand why the Ali Brothers are going to be arrested as the rumor goes, and why I am to remain free. They had done nothing which I would not do. ‘
Writing in Young India in May 1921, Mahatma Gandhi declared with Jehadic piety: ‘I would, in a sense certainly assist the Amir of Afghanistan if he waged a war against the British government.’
Mohammed Ali was known for his decency and decorum and fidelity. He showed his noble qualities in 1924 when he declared at Aligarh and Ajmer: ‘However pure Mr. Gandhi’s character may be, he must appear to me from the point of view of my religion inferior to any Mussalman, even though he be without character… Yes, according to my religion and creed, I do hold an adulterous and a fallen Mussalman to be better than Mahatma Gandhi.’
Mahatma Gandhi’s public posture and attitude towards the treasonable acts of Ali Brothers were severely criticized by prominent public personalities of the day like V S Srinivasa Sastri, C Y Chintamani, the Editor of Leader, Allahabad and C F Andrews, Gandhi’s confidant. All of them including Annie Besant told him in categorical terms that his speeches and writings were unmistakably such as to justify the treasonable act of Mohammed Ali’s invitation to the Amir of Afghanistan to launch an invasion against India.
Apart from the genuinely noble tribute paid by Mohammed Ali with Islamic conviction to Mahatma Gandhi referred to above, what was the reaction of the other Muslim leaders of the time to the generosity of spirit, largeness of heart and greatness of mind shown by Mahatma Gandhi towards his ever peace loving and supremely humane Muslim brothers? A Muslim leader who was considered as a 24-Carat Nationalist by all the Congressites in general and Mahatma Gandhi in particular soared to unimaginable heights when he presided over the Khilafat Conference at Ahmedabad in December 1922. That was Hakim Ajmal Khan. With Mahatma Gandhi and all the other great national leaders – unbelieving Hindu Kafirs – like C R Das, Lala Lajpat Rai, and many others sitting by his side on the dais, Hakim Ajmal Khan declared in a historic speech: ‘I envisage a glorious future awaiting our Pan-Islamic Empire. India on the one side and Asia Minor on the other are but two extreme links in a chain of future Islamic Federation, which are gradually but surely joining together all intermediate States in one great system.’ When he concluded his speech, Mahatma Gandhi went and embraced him which gladdened the Pan-Islamic hearts of Congressites present on that occasion.
The frenzy of Jehad generated by the inspiring Khilafat leadership of Mahatma Gandhi, ably guided by the Ali Brothers, soon spread like wild fire in different parts of India. Beginning with the Moplah rebellion in Malabar district in 1921, it spread to a few places in Punjab and Bengal in 1922 and by 1923 it enveloped many other provinces. The main centers of Hindu-Muslim riots were Amritsar, Lahore, Panipat, Multan in the Punjab; Moradabad, Meerut, Allahabad, Saharanpur in UP; at Bhagalpur in Bihar, at Gulbarga at Hyderabad State and at Delhi itself. At most of these places, it was the Muslims joining the Moharrum procession who had sparked off the communal outbreak and given the green signal for widespread uprising against the Hindus.
Rajendra Prasad, who cannot be dismissed by the Congress vermin of UPA government today as a fervent and doughty champion of communal Hindutva, minced no words in pinpointing the Muslim complicity in these riots: ‘Towards the later part of 1922 there occurred serious riots in Multan in which Hindu places of worship were desecrated, many Hindus were killed and many Hindu houses were looted and burnt. This was the first of a large number of communal riots which continued for several years and which occurred in almost all parts of the country.’
In all these riots sparked of by the Khilafat agitation led by Mahatma Gandhi, numberless Hindus fell victims to the specter of Muslim barbarism. Countless Hindu women were raped and kidnapped. Practically every Hindu festival – Ram Lila, Durga Puja, Holi, Ganapathi Puja – was a signal for a fierce Muslim assault as an integral aspect of Khilafat agitation. Mahatma Gandhi gave his infantile reactions through Young India in 1924. He wrote: ‘The Hindus have written to me complaining that I was responsible for unifying and awakening the Mussalmans and giving prestige to the Moulvis which they never had before. Now that the Khilafat question is over the awakened Mussalmans have proclaimed a kind of Jehad against the Hindus… The tales that are reported from Bengal of outrages upon Hindu women are the most disquieting if they are even half-true. My own experience but confirms the opinion that the Mussalman as a rule is a bully, and the Hindu as a rule is a coward. Need the Hindu blame the Mussalman for his cowardice? Where there are cowards, there will always be bullies… But as a Hindu, I am more ashamed of Hindu cowardice than I am angry at the Mussalman bullying.’
The tone of this hypocritical, if not patently mad, writing of Mahatma Gandhi makes it clear that he had total contempt for his perceived cowardice of the Hindus and profound respect and regard, bordering on unstated veneration, for the blackmailing tactics of the Mussalmans.
Dr. Annie Besant, one of the top leaders of the Congress, fully realized the folly of the perverse Khilafat policy of Mahatma Gandhi: ‘Since the Khilafat agitation, things have changed and it has been one of the many injuries inflicted on India by the encouragement of the Khilafat crusade, that the inner Muslim feeling of hatred against unbelievers has sprung up, naked and unashamed, as in years gone by… If India were independent, the Muslim part of the population – for the ignorant masses would follow those who appeal to them in the name of their Prophet – would become an immediate peril to India’s freedom. Allying themselves with Afghanistan, Baluchistan, Persia, Iraq, Arabia, Turkey and Egypt and with such of the tribes of Central Asia who are Mussalmans, they would rise to place India under the rule of Islam – Those in ‘British India’ being helped by the Muslims in Indian States and would establish Mussalman rule.’
These fears of Annie Besant are getting confirmed in letter and spirit through the day to day policy pronouncements of the UPA government whose ghastly if not gory deeds will land all the peace loving Hindus of India in irretrievable gloom for ages to come.
The same fear as that of Annie Besant was expressed by Lala Lajpat Rai in a letter to C R Das in 1924: ‘I am not afraid of seven crores of Muslims of Hindustan. But I think the seven crores of Hindustan plus the armed hosts of Afghanistan, Central Asia, Arabia, Mesopotamia and Turkey will be irresistible… I am willing to trust the Muslim leaders, but what about the injunctions of the Koran and Hadis – The Muslim leaders cannot override them. Are we then doomed? I hope not.’
Mahatma Gandhi sowed the wind of Khilafat in 1921 and we reaped the whirlwind of Pakistan in 1947. In 2006, we are preparing to create a federation of neo-secular Pakistans within our country by our consciously chosen divisive policies based on religion, caste, color, creed and community running counter to the known letter and spirit of our Constitution.
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(5) The Anti-Black Gandhi
Gandhi was not a whit less racist than the white racists of South Africa. When Gandhi formed the Natal Indian Congress on August 22, 1894, the no. 1 objective he declared was: “To promote concord and harmony among the Indians and Europeans in the Colony.” [Collected Works (CW)1 pp. 132-33]
He launched his Indian Opinion on June 4 1904: “The object of Indian Opinion was to bring the European and the Indian subjects of the King Edward closer together.” (CW. IV P. 320)
What was the harm in making an effort to bring understanding among all people, irrespective of colour, creed or religion? Did not Gandhi know that a huge population of blacks and coloured lived there? Perhaps to Gandhi they were less than human beings.
Addressing a public meeting in Bombay on Sept. 26 1896 (CW II p. 74), Gandhi said:
Ours is one continued struggle against degradation sought to be inflicted upon us by the European, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness.
In 1904, he wrote (CW. IV p. 193):
It is one thing to register natives who would not work, and whom it is very difficult to find out if they absent themselves, but it is another thing -and most insulting -to expect decent, hard-working, and respectable Indians, whose only fault is that they work too much, to have themselves registered and carry with them registration badges.
In its editorial on the Natal Municipal Corporation Bill, the Indian Opinion of March 18 1905 wrote:
Clause 200 makes provision for registration of persons belonging to uncivilized races (meaning the local Africans), resident and employed within the Borough. One can understand the necessity of registration of Kaffirs who will not work, but why should registration be required for indentured Indians who have become free, and for their descendants about whom the general complaint is that they work too much? (Italic portion is added)
The Indian Opinion published an editorial on September 9 1905 under the heading, “The relative Value of the Natives and the Indians in Natal”. In it Gandhi referred to a speech made by Rev. Dube, a most accomplished African, who said that an African had the capacity for improvement, if only the Colonials would look upon him as better than dirt, and give him a chance to develop self-respect. Gandhi suggested that “A little judicious extra taxation would do no harm; in the majority of cases it compels the native to work for at least a few days a year.” Then he added:
Now let us turn our attention to another and entirely unrepresented community-the Indian. He is in striking contrast with the native. While the native has been of little benefit to the State, it owes its prosperity largely to the Indians. While native loafers abound on every side, that species of humanity is almost unknown among Indians here.
Nothing could be further from the truth, that Gandhi fought against Apartheid, which many propagandists in later years wanted people to believe. He was all in favour of continuation of white domination and oppression of the blacks in South Africa.
In the Government Gazette of Natal for Feb. 28 1905, a Bill was published regulating the use of fire-arms by the natives and Asiatics. Commenting on the Bill, the Indian Opinion of March 25 1905 stated:
In this instance of the fire-arms, the Asiatic has been most improperly bracketed with the natives. The British Indian does not need any such restrictions as are imposed by the Bill on the natives regarding the carrying of fire-arms. The prominent race can remain so by preventing the native from arming himself. Is there a slightest vestige of justification for so preventing the British Indian?
Here is the budding Mahatma telling the white racists how they can perpetuate their Nazi domination over the vast majority of Africans.
In the British imperialist scheme, one important strategy was to divide and rule. Gandhi advised Indians not to align with other political groups in either coloured or African communities. In 1906 the coloured people in the colonies of Good Hope, the Transvaal and the Orange River colony, addressed a petition to the King Emperor demanding franchise rights. The petitioners showed clearly that, in one part of South Africa, namely the Cape of Good Hope, they had enjoyed the franchise ever since the introduction of representative institutions.
Commenting on the petition, the Indian Opinion of March 24 1906, declaring that “British Indians have, in order that they may never be misunderstood, made it clear that they do not aspire to any political power,” added:
It seems that the petition is being widely circulated, and signatures are being taken of all coloured people in the three colonies named. The petition is non-Indian in character, although British Indians, being coloured people, are very largely affected by it. We consider that it was a wise policy on the part of the British Indians throughout South Africa, to have kept themselves apart and distinct from the other coloured communities in this country.
In a statement made in 1906 to the Constitution Committee, the British Indian Association led by Gandhi (CW. V p.335) said:
The British Indian Association has always admitted the principle of white domination and has, therefore, no desire, on behalf of the community it represents, for any political rights just for the sake of them.
Commenting on a court case, the Indian Opinion of June 2 1906, in its Gujrati section, stated:
You say that the magistrate’s decision is unsatisfactory because it would enable a person, however unclean, to travel by a tram, and that even the Kaffirs would be able to do so. But the magistrate’s decision is quite different. The Court declared that the Kaffirs have no legal right to travel by tram. And according to tram regulations, those in an unclean dress or in a drunken state are prohibited from boarding a tram. Thanks to the Court’s decision, only clean Indians (meaning upper caste Hindu Indians) or coloured people other than Kaffirs, can now travel in the trams. (Italic portion is added)
Apartheid defended: Gandhi accepted racial segregation, not only because it was politically expedient as his Imperial masters had already drawn such a blueprint, it also conformed with his own attitude to the caste system. In his own mind he fitted Apartheid into the caste system: whites in the position of Brahmins, Indian merchants and professionals as Sudras, and all other non-whites as Untouchables.
Though Gandhi was strongly opposed to the comingling of races, the working-class Indians did not share his distaste. There were many areas where Indians, Chinese, Coloured, Africans and poor whites lived together. On February 15 1905, Gandhi wrote to Dr. Porter, the Medical Officer of Health, Johannesburg (CW. IV p.244, and “Indian Opinion” 9 April 1904):
Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian location should be chosen for dumping down all kaffirs of the town, passes my comprehension.
Of course, under my suggestion, the Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of the Kaffirs with the Indians I must confess I feel most strongly. I think it is very unfair to the Indian population, and it is an undue tax on even the proverbial patience of my countrymen.
Dr. Porter replied that it was the Indians who sub-let to Africans.
Commenting on the White League’s agitation, Gandhi wrote in his Indian Opinion of September 24 1903:
We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they do, only we believe that they would best serve these interests, which are as dear to us as to them, by advocating the purity of all races, and not one alone. We believe also that the white race of South Africa should be the predominating race.
Again, on December 24 1903, Indian Opinion stated:
The petition dwells upon `the comingling of the coloured and white races’. May we inform the members of the Conference that so far as British Indians are concerned, such a thing is particularly unknown. If there is one thing which the Indian cherishes more than any other, it is the purity of type.
In his farewell speech at a meeting held in the house of Dr. Gool in Capetown, which was reported in the Indian Opinion of July 1 1914, Gandhi said:
The Indians knew perfectly well which was the dominant and governing race. They aspired to no social equality with Europeans. They felt that the path of their development was separate. They did not even aspire to the franchise, or, if the aspiration exists, it was with no idea of its having a present effect.
Gandhi joined in the orgy of Zulu slaughter when the Bambata Rebellion broke out. It is essential to discuss the background of the Bambata Rebellion, to place Gandhi’s Nazi war crime in its proper perspective.
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Again thank you Girdharji for that vitriol….. hardly surprising that sadly you again missed the point….. I commented on Gandhiji’s ELOQUENCE, ie facility with words, his capacity to motivate others … I didnt comment on his politics, opinions, or indeed his failings….but you are right and I am wrong.. in all things…happy now?
Satish
give me one example of one ‘Oxford’ Hindu students who presently is saving Hinduism or is even promoting Hinduism to the masses ? How many ‘Oxford’ student hindus are going out and bringing back hindu girls who have ran off with muslims back to their parents.How many ‘Oxford’ student hindus are bringing up the human right abuses of Hindus persecuted around the world ? Where are these Oxford hindu students when Hinduism is defamed in the media or in the academia where the wendy donigers give lectures on bestiality in the Ramayana ? Like I said before you along with all these other hindus especially the ones who come from India have one thing in common and that’s ‘look at my status mentality’ hoping to line up to get an OBE invitations from the Queen so you can show off your Ps and Qs .Thats the reality of most hindus that they don’t even understand that all Hindu scriptures point one big obstacle which gets in the way of true knowledge more than anything and that’s the EGO which is one thing that most Hindus suffer from including yourself how much you camouflage it but people with experience see it very clearly..Even Nehru went to Cambridge and we can see the mess India is in…
@Satish : It seems you are suffering from alzheimers. Here are your pearls of wisdom, “Why do you resent that in this day and age there are Hindu’s who have seen that in order for the status quo of the West to be challenged effectively Hindu’s need to have Vivekanandaji’s heart but also Gandhiji’s eloquence”
Gandhi’s eloquence left hundreds dead at Jallianwala, Bhagat singh killed when he could have saved him, apathy towards hindus, death of thousands of fleeing hindus from pakistan. Gandhi was coward and a politician and hindus don’t need such kind of eloquence which contains hypocrisy and further apathy towards Hindus.
Girdar you have shown me the WAY. You are great and admire your tireless effort to fill up garbage cans of ignorance. You are indeed very talented for you write volumes that fill a pinhead. Your greatest talent to keep launching salvos of vitriolic barbs dipped in prurient venom that doesn’t kill but raises ire. Please use that talent against the enemies of our great Vedic heritage.. We will and must WIN.
Let me get you back on track, point wise, so it can penetrate the softest part of your carburised cranium,
1.Sameer wrote an excellent paper on the ILLS foisted on Hinduism and its followers.
2. No Hindu would or did take umbrage and in fact welcomed his courage to stem the undercurrent
of denigrating and hateful campaign launched abroad against the holistic science practiced by its passive followers.
3. Then the ILLITERATI entered the fray to bash the bastion of Hinduism , the Vedas and its derivatives summed up in the iconic Bhagavadgita and Sankhya formin its core, with their half baked knowledge that helped the opposition.
3. Then other self respecting Hindus with experience steeped in years of hard work to raise the Hindu ethos, voiced their concern and resistance, with factual knowledge gleaned over the years.
4. You turned up with your voluminous and irrelevant rebuttals that did not fill a postage stamp in meaningful statements, advertising your blank paper CV.and you utter incapability of contributing ANYTHING, but helped the opposition to keep up their tirade in volume if not in facts.
5. Now learn to respect your elders (as you have acknowledged) and listen.
Vivekananda, the greatest promoter, that India ever had, of Vedic science as Hinduism, spoke in international forums ON SANKHYA as the core of our heritage. He spoke on electo-magnetic theory openly as forming a part of our vedic heritage interpreting SANKHYAN theory forming the core
(In a courageous move even Tesla ,the greatest inventor, publicly acknowlegded the contribution of Vedas to the field theory=== as Kshetrajna mentioned n the Bhagavad gita.) You CANNOT DENY THIS.
Why did he ? Because you were not there to help him? Did he speak on matters that DID NOT
PERTAIN TO VEDIC DHARMA IN ALL ITS FORMS ?
Your ANSWER HAS TO BE A YES . I rest my case.
@Srinivasan :
Rants, rants and more of rants without any intellectual contribution at all. Is that all you do for a living?
I’m neither denying Sankhya, nor the words of Vivekananda or any of the sage. But their words are their own and they view the scriptures through their own understanding which is not wrong. What you are doing is viewing the scriptures through their eyes and not your own and hence your views are ‘borrowed’ and ‘not your own’. You really don’t understand the difference between primary and secondary comprehension do you?
Like I already stated, Bhagvada Gita consists of Sankhya, yoga, nyaya and other philosophies too. The whole of chapter 1 portrays Arjuna’s doubts and shattered state where he surrenders to Krishna to guide him. Thus speaks Lord Krishna telling him about dharma (righteousness, duties, logic, laws of the universe etc). Thus, from another angle one may say that “Nyaya school of thought” is at the heart of the Bhagvad-GITA or “dharma central to our heritage”.
So it only depends from which angle you look at it. For those who are attached to sankhya, they’ll categorize it to sankhya. For those who are obsessed with “Nyaya”, they’ll be finding logic, reasoning based on doubts etc.
And hence, your obsession with only and only Sankhya is pityful, pathetic and sympathetic. I’m neither against SAnkhya nor against “Nyaya”, but the only thing I’m stating, which your obsession is blinding your to acknowledge, is to treat the Bhagvada Gita (and other shrutis) in a holistic way without any categorization to your favourite school of philosophy.
I try to find “intellectual content” in your post everytime. But all find is your obsession and testimonies to Sankhya, emotional rants, what Vivekananda and Kapila stated rather than your own comprehension or content related to the topic of discussion or any iota of intellectual contribution. Further, you have not been able to reply to any of the logic and facts I stated so far regarding the three gunas, verses from Gita, computers, algorithms, varna system, strength and knowledge of Dronacharya and Krishna, Nyaya school of thought, Vaisheshika school of thought, unmanifest and unborn nature of ultimate reality, importance of zero (which you ignored) in general as well as in Sankhya which you are obsessed with, thoughts (conscious, sub-conscious, unconscious), intellect and intuition, micros and macros (start of life and universe), sequence of prime numbers and random numbers etc.
You stand exposed with your ignorance of Gita, mathematics and now computers and making juvenile statements like
– Bhramins were weaker physcially, kshatriyas weaker in terms of knowledge
– Reduction of the three gunas to some ‘genetic character’
– Obession with Sankhya and yet undermining the importance/conception of zero and its relation to Sankhya
– Illiteracy of computer algorithms
– Rants x Infinity
You just continue to rant and rant some more. Keep bringing testimonies and more of your obsession with SAnkhya. You don’t realize but you only end up mocking yourself and abusing the Hindu scriptures by categorizing them to a particular field of your interest. 🙁
Thank you Girdhar for finally biting the dust with your
“’m neither denying Sankhya, nor the words of Vivekananda or any of the sage.”
If you had admitted this in the first place we need not have gone in to a vicious spiral of useless recriminations that only spoiled the environment. Hope you learn to respect other peoples opinion
from this turn around. As I am going to be away on demonstrating the free energy motor that is direct outcome of Sankhya sutra 37, happily and I will not have the time to see or reply to your muddled headed ravings. Cheers and bye
@Srinivasan :
With your age it seems, your comprehension and wisdom is having contrary effects. I never denied Sankhya in the first place, but talked of the shrutis without categrizations. It was only your obession that made you assume things about my stance. But you seem to be adamant enough, even after being exposed, to force the sankhya on other’s throats. The shrutis encompass everything and hence neither sankhya nor nyaya or any of the school of thoughts can be denied. But saying that shrutis is all sankshya or all nyaya is utterly childish.
A whole human body is neither the limbs nor the senses, neither the organs of reproduction nor excretery system. It is a collection of the individual parts which work with each other. One cannot deny that hand doesn’t exist. SImilarly, no one denied Sankhya. But your obsession with SAnkhya makes you hallucinate that ‘Sankhya is EVERYTHING’! Thats where you flaw and thats where your comprehension goes down to the gutters.
Read again from the start. The ultimate reality is everything and not just Sankhya!
Typo : *One cannot deny that the hand exists*
Pranams to the Editor
My sincere and heartfelt greetings to all your members for their noble
efforts to promote Dharmic knowledge worldwide.
I am personally grateful that the dialogues are so sincere, intense and thought provoking.
Please keep it up and readers around the world and in our own country would be proud to know
our great heritage in philosophical, religious and scientific knowledge.
However may I be allowed to make a suggestion if it is not out of place for a non participating
reader to do so.
Perhaps it may be more appealing if comments are restricted to a reasonable size so that it
is readable, absorb-able and relevant to the focus of the subject discussed. For then the
subject content covered by others may be more and also interesting as it would be varied.
Please do not get the feeling I am trying to interfere with your excellent paper’s editorial
policy but if you go through the comments there is one gentlemen Shri Girdhar has consistently inserted voluminous extracts of publicly available information that could have been just pointed to as an aid to his commentary. Original thought by the individual is extremely valuable and should treasured by other readers.
Hope my humble suggestion seems reasonable and an aid to raising the level of discussion to its full potential
to your nob
Pranams to the Editor
My sincere and heartfelt greetings to all your members for their noble
efforts to promote Dharmic knowledge worldwide.
I am personally grateful that the dialogues are so sincere, intense and thought provoking.
Please keep it up and readers around the world and in our own country would be proud to know
our great heritage in philosophical, religious and scientific knowledge.
However may I be allowed to make a suggestion if it is not out of place for a non participating
reader to do so.
Perhaps it may be more appealing if comments are restricted to a reasonable size so that it
is readable, absorb-able and relevant to the focus of the subject discussed. For then the
subject content covered by others may be more and also interesting as it would be varied.
Please do not get the feeling I am trying to interfere with your excellent paper’s editorial
policy but if you go through the comments there is one gentlemen Shri Girdhar has consistently inserted voluminous extracts of publicly available information that could have been just pointed to as an aid to his commentary. Original thought by the individual is extremely valuable and should treasured by other readers.
Hope my humble suggestion seems reasonable and an aid to raising the level of discussion to its full potential
@Swami Nityananda:
Thank you for your humble response. But please do find if the content of my replies are ‘publicly available’. You may use google. I have used links where ever possible though. 🙂
…..Except for the Gandhi’s apathy towards Hindus as the categorization has been done by me only in five different parts! 🙂
viveknanda was a confused soul and he made many wrong interpolations of lot of texts..like uthistha jagruta and all..and he was a cultural marxists..he was totally immature..
gandhi ha ha ha ha..in normal colloquial language..his names is used to abuse everyone..only in media he is shown..to make hindus impotents so that ISLAMIZATION can be attained fast..and gandhigiri can be only taught when you are drunk..ha ha ha ha..LAGE RAHO MUNNABHAI
wow..people are giving their person things, CV that i have learned from america, europe..then they don’t have any idea that america is just a 200 year old nation..european nations formed some thousand years back..but this holy BHARAT was always there and will be there…and even before my grandfather’s grandfather’s time, our civilization was there..tomorrow america will be a history anyways..as their philosophy is materialistic in nature..anything which has a start has to end..