Comments on: Reports of Proxy Baptism of Mahatma Gandhi by Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

By: LindaSDF

LindaSDF — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 02:34:52 +0000

@gerry I’m not sure what list you are talking about. However, under current church guidelines, unless the person submitting a name for vicarious baptism is a direct descendant, they would have to get your permission.

By: gerry

gerry — Sat, 02 Jun 2012 21:54:50 +0000

I have just found out that my departed mother has been listed on this lsd list. Does anybody have a site where I can have the cunt who put her there baptised into a satanic church and where I would have a certificate of baptism to send to her and on facebook. I dont like my family been fucked with.

By: LindaSDF

LindaSDF — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 03:47:11 +0000

Why do you ask for something you are not prepared to give?
In the USA, we have a constitutional right to practice our faith as we see it. If we want to vicariously baptize every ancestor of ours, that’s ever been even remotely related to us, back to Adam, that’s our right and pleasure. You can be offended, you can tell us to stop, but in the end, we will do what we feel God wants us to do.
We are not imposing anything on you. You have your freedom of choice. They have their freedom of choice.
Was it right to baptize those specific people? That’s not up to me. That’s between God, the person who was baptized, and the person who submitted the name “illegally”, If that person gets disciplined by the church authorities, that’s between them.
As for blocking me, my opinion is just as valid as your’s.

By: Tom Johnson

Tom Johnson — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 01:11:05 +0000

LInda and Kerry,
You have both made your points. It is now descending into name-calling instead of inquiry and explanation.
Time to cease and desist.

By: Kerry Berger

Kerry Berger — Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:58:07 +0000

Your act of totally ignoring the feeling of non-Mormons is outrageously offensive. You keep on preaching your beliefs whilst refusing to listen to what others say and feel about it. You demonstrate a complete lack of tolerance towards others. YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM in our society NOT its solution. I hope the editors of this esteemed site will either politely ask you to cease and desist, or simply block your responses. Your last statement is again an attempt to impose your religion. You can’t even express yourself without making quotes from the Bible. Is that even legitimate debate???

By: LindaSDF

LindaSDF — Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:45:59 +0000

Doesn’t matter what you say, however. We will continue doing vicarious baptisms. Hopefully, those who did these “illegal” baptisms are being dealt with and there will be no more stink.
I am not pushing my religion on anyone. You can’t tell anyone to stop believing what they believe, or practicing their religion. It’s like saying to a Jewish person “Your yarmulke offends me, stop wearing it” or to a Catholic “Stop crossing yourself, it offends me” or to a Sikh person “Take off that turban and shave your beard, it offends me”.
And people wonder why we try to keep sacred and don’t discuss what goes on in the temple! We get “Matthew 7:6′d”!

By: Kerry Berger

Kerry Berger — Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:08:20 +0000

LindaSDF, I’m not trying to disrespect your in the least. You don’t even know what I believe. You are arguing emotionally, while I’m trying to keep this rational. I have read every single posting you’ve made thus far, and each one appears to be a justification for what Mormons do and believe. That I, as a non-Mormon, are NOT interested in what you believe, as much of what you say is opposing my belief system, I feel you are pushing and imposing your religion on others, not simply trying explaining it. That’s being disrespectful. Furthermore, it infringes on my rights and that is where I draw a line in the sand. Respect means that you too must come to a realization that your belief systems/your way is not what everyone wants in their lives. It means that you respect and accept that there will be differences of opinion and belief. If someone says “No” and you still carry on, you are behaving in essence like the moral equivalent of a rapist who ignores his/her victim. Time to let it go.

By: LindaSDF

LindaSDF — Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:28:49 +0000

You are disrespecting me and my faith, while DEMANDING that I respect yours.
I fail to see how our vicarious baptisms are interfering with anyone else’s right to peacefully practice their own religion. WE aren’t interfering in anything. WE aren’t doing this, I’m sure. I am almost positive it is being done by some renegade Mormons who are lackeys of Helen Radkey, who is ONLY concerned with her vendetta against the LDS church. Case in point: according to church sources, the latest “baptism” of Anne Frank was done DESPITE the fact that her records were flagged as “holocaust victim”, and not allowed to be submitted. In order to submit her name, the record had to be duplicated and some information falsified. Then submitted to the temple in the Dominican republic where the name was less likely to be immediately recognized.
Also, the only people who could permissably submit Daniel Pearl’s name without the permission of the family would be immediate family (parents, spouse, siblings or children).
Then add that, without Helen Radkey (who I’m told is not supposed to have access to these records in the first place) and her “whistle blowing”, most non members would never have known about this, it all adds up to “conspiracy”. (and no, we’re not trying to keep it secret, but neither are we advertising it hither and yon, as it’s something sacred to us)
Church policy is, that only names of family are to be submitted to the temple. I have no problem with this. I’m thinking that, even as we read this, there are some quiet excommunications being carried out. Or there should be, IMHO.

By: Kerry Berger

Kerry Berger — Wed, 07 Mar 2012 04:39:01 +0000

LindaSDF, frankly do you honestly believe that non-believers of Mormonism really care what you folks believe will happen to dead souls that are not baptized??? Some of us feel it is all fairy tale talk. I’m not going to disrespect you if you want to believe it. However, the point is that you are still trying to convince, no, rather, impose your set beliefs on others irrespective of whether or not we want to hear about it. I’ve reiterated a number of times that your proxy baptisms of deceased non-Mormons are an affront to many people, and that you are still unrepentant about it demonstrates your LACK of respect for other religions and belief systems. You are infringing on others rights to peacefully practice their own religion or lack of religion without interference. I think as an earlier poster has indicated, the practice of proxy baptizing Holocaust victims (and it should include their descendants is not allowed anymore. Time to take your holier than thou attitude and do some serious self reflection how you may be insulting and hurting others by defending an inappropriate ritual on non-Mormons.

By: LindaSDF

LindaSDF — Wed, 07 Mar 2012 04:25:29 +0000

We do not believe that the unbaptized are going to hell. They just will not go to as high a level of heaven as the baptized.